CWKPQ Boss stage change

in my experience what made the runs slow was when people dont know how to do (or be afk) in the frists stages, but a rework can work nice too

 

Halve the archer room mob hp too please

 

what makes cwkpq long is 2 reasons:
1. archer room
2. pirate boss

In my experience as a cleave that goes only in 4 man parties, cleave bosses and mage usualy take around 25~30 minutes.
The fact that only one person can hit pirate boss, and it has to be a se most of the times, adds an additional 10~15 min to every boss run. If another ranged starts hitting it, it ONLY shoots sharks which is hella dumb. If a cleave starts hitting it, it will start using iframe attacks.
Pirate boss is my ONLY reason in all cwkpq's ive ever done that boss rooms takes more than it should. I think i can count on one hand the number of SE players that managed to not stall the entire boss battle. Not blaming SE players for being bad, its just a horrible boss design.

An addition to that, archer room takes alot of time for most casual non godly SE players. I personally believe that moving 3~4 of the mobs from archer room to warrior room will make so much sense. All the other rooms are a joke compared to archer's. It can add an additional 10 minutes to the entire run on bad cases. For most of the party that room is just a "stay afk" experience until archer is done, even if you are completing multiple rooms with other classes.

Usualy im all in favor of making runs less of a time sink, but in this case halfing the hp and lowering exp rates is not the solution imo. I want to add that cwkpq is a super profitable content, and making it easier might cause nerfing reward rates and i dont want my favorite content to be damaged.

 

couldnt disagree more. if the team has a decent pirate pinner (and decent cleaves+mage pinner), boss run should take 35min TOPS,. halving the rewards on this content will just be a cleave class nerf, the only thing this server dosent need.

 

I mean the same could be said for every boss in the game but it's a slippery slope. I'm not opposed to bosses taking less time to do, but it's not very true to the old school maple feeling. Some games have short but engaging boss fights where you fight for your life. This game has long boss fights where you optimize damage and even small optimizations make a big difference over a long fight. A short and unengaging fight with no need to optimize because it'll be over soon anyways doesn't seem fulfilling to me personally. Making the fight engaging isn't really possible with the limitations of the game engine either.

Tho tbf i'm a Corsair player, I have a lot more room to optimize my gameplay than other classes. I understand that CWKPQ is notoriously afk for cleavers.

If only more boss fights could feel like the Demon King (without the unavoidable lean beams)

 

This is a 2.5 hr content that requires 12 signs and a long boss battle (which i personally dont consider it afk either for pirate and for cleaves). i dont see how its too much profitable when considering all of that.
The things i said, imo, is actually balancing the pq around everyone's behalf and not endgamers. moving archer mobs to warrior room benefits mostly the lower level parties. making pirate boss an actuall playable boss for other classes beside SE, is beneficial to all players.
halving the HP and time required is not a fix to any of these problems

 

disagree. i had rather a longer boss with good rewards than a shorter boss with poorer rewards. reminder that u need to shift ur char and mules to the sign up page.
another thing is the market perturbations as a result, which often leads to merchants winning and the rest of the non merchants losing out.

 

Raso pls no CWKPQ exp is one of the only things I got without the HP for HT

 

I have mixed opinion on this

1. CWKPQ boss room is boring time consuming - yes in case of single client.
2. CWKPQ boss room need to be halved exp/timer - no.
3. CWKPQ should be more profitable in time-wise - this applies on only for who has multiple chars to do cwkpq, no.

So, imo, your suggestion benefits almost only ppls who doesn't care about exp, but I wish to say, tanky HP following dope exp helps a lot for attackers who is pre-HT stage, so I'm a bit against for suggestion which can reduce exp coming from it.

'Reducing exp' this is what I really concern, because, for who cares about exp, cwkpq is really great source for it.

Fun fact : CWKPQ is already more time-wise profitable than 6man HT bsp+sed split with current status.

Personal (and many sweaties do this too) solution : so I felt boring on cwkpq boss room, started to do extra stuffs like buffing pty members w/ mules, duo attacking solo cleave, or (not me) soloing range part using 2 attackers, w/e. This made me busy enough in boss room instead of pressing 1 key yawning, and I feel fun from it.

 

I deleted by post because it won’t balance things by halving rewards as it will break the market too.

 

Agree with this, just fix the bottleneck. The other parts of the pq are fine.

 

Echoing this, have never found boss stage boring. Cleave has felt engaging even on single client, especially on DrK.

 

I have no idea for shads strat so I wouldn't mention about it, but as warrior, to deal with summons efficiently, I have to focus on warrior boss animation (hornblowing) and rush pin in correct timing, use proper skills to clear which isnt brandish (I love slash blast), and in case of drk, crashing enrage also because it can actually kill me.
This combination and harmony changes depends on who is partner. Pally? They'll hh but would feel hard for deal with fire mages and stun them sunk behind. So....? Use roar/shout to finish them helping partner. Buccs/shads? They're freaking good in dealing summons but still need help on initial rush, but i can way more focus on bosses after that thanks for their mobbing ability.
Warriors arent spamming brandish or crusher for whole run braindead. If they do so, they can't handle with mobs at all, and bottom floor will be overflooded in no times.

Also, many magepinners are doing alttab or even use another laptop dp mage to finish mage in time. This requires heavy APM which even makes me boycott to run cwkpq as NL.

Now, what we were doing was mentioned as nothing.

Added : lemme be a bit more cruel. in cwkpq, if shad was able to macro BoT+Bstep AFK for whole run feeling boredom, instead of moving around to deal with leaking flow of summons sweating a lot, that means, your partner warrior was HARD focusing for whole run to control summons perfectly, devoted for his role. It's not boring game like that, for them if they're focusing on bosses animation/SFX + (optional)buffs like SI/HS.

 

lowering hp and time thus nerfing rewards aswell will still be a nerf to cleave classes.
I agree with huiae that cleave bosses are not afk experience because of the summons. DRK also have to pay attention for warrior boss dmg buff so he can dispell it to use zerk more effectively. personally once archer boss dies im alternating brandish panic to kill the boss faster.
Even after rewritten the post, the problems are still the same:
1. archer room
2. pirate boss

 

I don't run CWKPQ often but didn't the pirate boss recently have it's I-frames removed?

 

It did get a hitbox for the attack where he hits the floor, But it still has iframes for the attack where he jumps high in the air.
Also if multiple ranged attackers hit it, it will still just spam shark attacks. Once a melee attacker hits it it can trigger the iframes attacks he got