[Debate] Server time

It will create confusion for runs such as horntail. If there is a run close to a change, some people might miss it thinking the server time was still the one before the change.

 

Everyone is already treated absolutely equally, as this time never changes. Maybe it happens at 4 am your time, maybe it's 6pm, it doesn't matter because the only thing that does matter is how easy it is for people around the world to get online at the same time and do something collectively.

A timer that resets a counter at an arbitrary time does not make participating in or organizing runs more difficult. It is confusing practices like the one suggested that would.

 

True to an extent, but as OP mentioned you can benefit from the timer resetting to do twice as many boss runs without having to organise another run since you're already there.

+1 from me

 

Although the idea to make it fair for every time zone seems good, i think it would cause too much confusion and as mentioned above will make organizing boss runs a tad more complicated, so no from me

 

Ok, I missed that part. But eh... that's a lot of running we are talking about, and it's hard to imagine a large group that wants to sit through all that.

I'm just gonna have to say deal with it. Any other solution, even including personal 24 hour timers for everyone is way too messy.

 

Mano time should be chanced

 

server time for resets got changed awhile ago , bosses used to reset 24 hours after you first went in , so take this as better than the first one

 

I don't really see a need to change the time, personally. You're not forced to boss right after the reset. I see why it can give certain people advantages, but that's always going to be a thing with having people play from literally every single different timezone in the world.

I like that the reset never changes. You can always count on it happening at 00:00 GMT. Even during daylight savings, it doesn't change.

 

I mean things like the server being more crowded at certain times, so it's harder to find maps then. And then the other way around, it's harder to find parties for PQs when most of the server is sleeping or at school/work, etc.

While your idea would perhaps do that for bosses, it would still just be too confusing.

 

Can we please make the minutes accurate. its 13:37 currently (Holland) server time is 11:43

 

+1

 

And likewise, I can accuse you of only wanting this change so that it will benefit you and hurt others.

See? Not very fair is it. I don't even boss, really.

 

How can you call this suggestion "not very fair"? The only change is that on average everyone will have the same advantage instead of it always being on the same timezone.

 

I wasn't talking about the suggestion. That is completely out of context.

What I was saying is that making a comment like, "It seems like everyone doesn't want the change because they're benefiting from the status quo," is unfair. It basically discredits everyone's opinion who is against the change because the implication is the only reason they are against the change is for selfish reasons. And this clearly isn't true.

 

Ah I misunderstood sorry. It's unfair to make that assumption but the only counter argument so far is it being confusing so I get why he is looking for other reasons why people voted no.

I don't boss either

 

Well, maybe I can make a real convincing argument...

The way I see it, it is arguably not that much harder to get a group of players to come together once a day, as opposed to doing a similar activity for twice as long and mentally skipping over a day at that.

In the scenario we have now where a certain group of people might benefit from getting 2 sets of boss runs in a row, it means getting a cohesive group to work together for twice as long. Experience tells me that the longer an activity drags on, the harder it is to maintain all the participants. They have things to do in real life. So it might be more "convenient" for everyone, but it's still that much harder to organize. Also, if some people happen to miss the boss run for that "day", they can't really just participate "tomorrow", considering the previous boss run happened earlier, and the next run is going to be like 30+ hours away. There's also the fact that the time frame everything needs to be done in is very rigid. The first runs need to be done just before the timer resets, and then ideally the next runs come soon after.

Now compare that to the group of players that don't have such an "advantage". They can only do one set of runs a day, but they don't all have to be online for such a long period of time. Their schedule is also more flexible, so with communication, you can move the run time forward and backward some hours, and you can still get an equal number of boss runs done per day. It means having the necessary people to go on the run should be easier. The only real inconveniences are tower scrolls and boat rides, as it takes time to go from training places to boss runs (depending on the boss and where one trains).