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60 points in HP and currently no way to get them back (Level 123 Shadower)

Discussion in 'Help & Advice' started by Kargo, Feb 27, 2021.

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    I am a level 123 Shadower with 60 points in HP, because I wanted to HP wash. I had no clue how washing worked and now im stuck with 60 points in HP without any spare MP. I also have little to no base INT with somewhat decent INT gear. How should I go about getting the 60 AP back?
     
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    AP reset some points into INT, do some MP washing to get more MP, and wash those points out
     
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    So I put a lot of my AP in INT using AP resets. With the higher base INT I can put AP in to MP (Higher base INT = more MP per AP point). Remove the MP point you just put in, lowering my MP by a lower amount than the 1 AP I put in gave, meaning I created more MP out of thin air sort of?
     
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    Yes
     
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    Cool! Thanks a bunch. Time to save up a whole lot of NX, since im currently starting with near 0 lmao
     
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    use ap resets to move points from hp to luk
     
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    Hmm would this work aswell? Since this might be a good idea too, since I dont really need the extra HP as a Shadower anyway.

    Edit: Would this work as in: Is -1 AP From HP the same amount of HP lost as gained for +1 AP in HP?
     
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    Yep
     
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    Then this is what ill be doing then, the other suggestion was also good if I really needed to keep the HP, but this is way quicker. Thanks a bunch!
     
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    Taking out a point from hp costs 20hp and adding a point in hp will grant you 16-20 hp so you will have lost some unless you were very very lucky.
     
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    If you use 60 APRs to reset from HP to LUK, you will be at a net loss inn your HP stat.
     
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    I think I found a way to fix this. I remove 60 AP from my HP. I keep leveling with INT gear and wash the lost HP back at a later point, since at worst ill lose 240 hp, which is only like 15 washes
     
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    So
    -hp +luk 60 times
    +hp -mp later.

    Why you don't combine them and substract -hp+hp? Like
    Just level up with int and -mp +luk.

    We call this $bloodwash.

    First of all, I hope you read enough amounts of guides and understand how washing goes. You're screwing seriously. Hope you don't regret in future.
     
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    I know how washing works nowadays yeah, but this char is 6 years old, so mistakes have been made. I dont do -mp +luk because I dont have enough INT or INT gear to get 60 AP out of. Doing my method I only need to get 15 AP in the worst case out of my MP to get back to my base.
     
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    I wouldnt do -hp + luk, this is a waste of nx and your losing hp.

    The best option is to keep leveling up with int gear and add some base int and then once you have enough extra mp you can -mp +luk normally.

    You really dont need to reset the extra hp points asap as your only lvl 123, just wait until your 150+.
     
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    Well, I'd say there's no 'right' or 'wrong' answer, but only there's 'suits with purpose'. So both yours and mine are correct. matter is, just selection, and which purpose you put heavier.

    So question is this :
    You've already pumped 60 APs into HP. that's approx minus DPM of 12lvl amount. Also, means you had intention to get high HP.
    Is your damage is too much terrible so need to get back that 12lvl amount of DMG urgently, even with losing HP in the end?
    or, Are you still looking for a bit higher HP than ordinary character, able to bear with that amount of losing DMG for long time?

    If you're so desperately urgent for DMG, reset 60 points from HP into LUK immediately.
    If you're not in urgent for DMG and wish to get higher HP eventually, just bear and try to get as much MP as possible for every levels from now.
    If you're mixed on both opinions, set your own ratio. like, resetting 40 APs immediately from HP to LUK, and keep 20, try to get excessive MP to washout later.

    I hope my opinion helps for your journey.


    BUT THAT GODDEM MARK OF BETA AND BETA CHAIR I'M IN SEA OF SALT NOW
     
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    Its kind of hard to judge if im lacking damage, since im still very very early in to my 4th job. The only reason I wanted to HP wash is because at the time I thought it was necessary for Shadowers to do so. Resetting ~40 first and keeping 20 to wash out later is also an option, I may do that instead. Thanks!


    I would be losing HP, yes, but if I'd start over I wouldnt have washed at all. I have very very basic INT gear (Only about +30 INT) and adding base int is just as much of a waste imo, since I dont care about the extra HP. I can wait until I am lvl150 and see how many washes I can do. Thanks!
     
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    What HuiaeHuiae mentioned about bloodwashing is also true.

    At the end of the day the onus is on you to decide which path to move forward with.
     
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    HP wash is using MP to gain more HP.
    More spare MP = able to wash more HP.

    How to gain more spare MP?
    1. Level with high total int ( base + bonus = total int)
    2. MP wash (fresh AP added into MP with high base int; bonus int does not contribute)

    MP wash formula = [-(MP lost) + (base int/10) -2]
    [​IMG]

    Example corsair with base 300 int and i will add 5 fresh AP into MP for MP washing
    each fresh AP will gain MP = [-(-16MP) + (300/10) -2] = 44 MP / fresh AP
    5 AP into MP = 44 x 5 = 220 MP

    Example shad with base 120 int and i will add 5 fresh AP into MP for MP washing
    each fresh AP will gain MP = [-(-12MP) + (120/10) -2] = 22 MP / fresh AP
    5 AP into MP = 22 x 5 = 110 MP

    So after MP washing, you have to - MP + HP using AP resets (bloodwashing)
    corsair = - 16 MP + 18 HP
    shad = - 12 MP + 16 HP

    Fresh AP into HP will gain HP as per the chart on top (HP washing)
    corsair = + 18 ~ 22 HP averaging 20 HP / fresh AP
    shad = + 16 ~ 20 HP averaging 18 HP / fresh AP

    Per level washing can gain
    corsair = 220 / 16 = 13.75 ( 13 AP resets) = 13 x 18 = 234 HP
    shad = 110 / 12 = 9.167 ( 9 AP resets) = 9 x 16 = 144 HP

    PS: warriors & brawler who have Inc Max HP skill will have to do MP washing to gain high MP for HP washing as to take the skill effect into consideration.
     
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