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Bishop, or Arch Mage?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Shrek, Apr 1, 2015.

What character is best to start with?

  1. Arch Mage (I/L)

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  2. Bishop

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  1. Shrek
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    Shrek Capt. Latanica

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    I've seen people arguing over which is best to start with
    (From a funding point)

    Well, which do you guys think would be better?

    Current benefits:

    Arch Mage


    Advantages:
    -Blizzard does more damage, and freezes mobs.
    -Are easier to level up in the beginning.
    -Easier access to Blizzard; and doesn't requre HTPQ.
    -Access to Elemental Amplification.
    -Great for farming.

    Disadvantages:
    -Level 1-39 is HELL.
    -Virtually useless while bossing.
    -Cannot leech as efficiently as bishop due to lack of Holy Symbol.
    -Consume Mana like a beast.

    Bishops

    Advantages:
    -Have access to Holy Symbol
    -Have access to Genesis, which is useful for late game mobs such as Skeles.
    -Are wanted @ bossing for healing purposes, and HS.
    -Great for farming.

    Disadvantages:
    -Level 1-39 is HELL.
    -Can only be support while bossing.
    -No Elemental Amplification
    -Genesis Skill books are expensive due to high demand.



    So, what do you guys think?

    Feel free to leave your thoughts and opinions.
     
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    job makes no difference for a player's ability to act as a merchant
     
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    AM with hs mule is the way to go MapleF13 (unless multiclient is disallowed here :( )
     
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    When it comes to funding purposes, bishops win in almost every aspect. Due to the end game mobs (at the moment) being skelegon and skelosaurus bishops hold a huge advantage to I/L when it comes to money/leeching. I/L may have elementel amplification, but this just continues to boosts bishops advantage from a funding perspective (each blizzard costing 6k mana at level 10; double what genesis costs).
     
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    Multi-client is not allowed, however if u have 2 computers I believe you are allowed to use them both.
     
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    I'm biased as I main a bishop in royals, but I think bishops are the best.

    I/Ls are the easiest to level up at the beginning which is really nice. But in the end, bishops pay off the most. They do holy damage to skeles, they have HS, and they have Dispel. They're the best for parties and especially bossing parties. So what if I/Ls level faster? They level fast but for what? All they can do is grind since they're useless in boss runs.
     
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    The thing between arch mages and bishops is that arch mages are much easier to level up with and reach 4th job with than bishops, as far as I know. Whether it is i/l or f/p you receive amazing mob skills, while cleric/priest is restricted to ones that are affected by heal, or if you can find a party willing to take you. Not always that is available. But in the end bishops are way better simply because they have very wanted buffs like HS and dispel, or even Bless is sometimes wanted as well. Ressurection is also vital in bossing. Arch mages are kinda more for the loner kind of players who dont really care to party with others, i think. I think it would be way different if arch mages were to have some helpful party buff, but they dont, so.
     
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    Wait, how come Multi-client isn't allowed?
     
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    It's patched to not work for legends. You can use 2 machines (virtual or not) though.
     
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    Depends what you're planning on doing on here in the future.

    If you're making a magician strictly for the purpose of funding future characters, go bishop. I'm assuming this is the one you'll want in your case. They're cheap to play, plus they benefit future characters far more if you decide to take advantage of leeching.

    If you're not planning on making any more characters after it, go I/L. As someone who has played both classes for long periods of time, I have no problem saying I/Ls are infinitely more fun than not only bishops, but also most other classes.
    I/Ls aren't useless against bosses, they do far more damage than most people seem to think when they've got CL and Ifrit maxed. They're also beasts against any sort of multi target boss, though there aren't many of those in v62. That being said, they're not among the strongest either, sort of middle of the tree. I played an I/L mage in GMS and whenever my guild was discussing class usefulness for bossing, most people seemed to agree that they're around 5th/6th in terms of boss damage.

    I may be somewhat biased, but at least I've got some actual I/L experience. :p
     
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    The damage of I/Ls may be better than Bishop, but mages aren't typically brought onto boss runs for damage unless the party cannot find anyone else and is desperate. Bishops are wanted on boss runs for their support skills. HS, Dispell, Resurrection, and Heal. I/Ls don't have any support skills.
     
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    The only boss bishops are really important against in v62 is HT because of seduce. Dispel is useful, but not necessary, and you should never rely on bishops to keep you alive as long as you've got the option to heal yourself instead. HS is nice if you've only got a few people I suppose, but pretty pointless if you're running with like 10+ people, exp is gonna suck anyway then. Very few classes have useful support skills.
     
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    Yeah I know Heal isn't a good example as a support skill. Dispel isn't necessary but if it sure is something people love to have in their party. Also holy shield is great. HS with 10+ people I guess isn't much but it's something.
     
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    K here is my opinion about what u said , agree on some and some not

    Arch Mage

    Advantages:
    -Blizzard does more damage, and freezes mobs. Agree
    -Are easier to level up in the beginning. Agree
    -Easier access to Blizzard; and doesn't requre HTPQ. Agree
    -Access to Elemental Amplification. Disagree - On V62 The ele staff works same for bishops as mages.
    -Great for farming. Agree

    Disadvantages:

    -Level 1-39 is HELL. Disagree - KPQ til 30 , 30-39 its easy because lighting does decent dmg even on low lvl
    -Virtually useless while bossing. Disagree - u use chain lighning on Bosses almost at BM hurricane speed , spam 20-40k's and u mana drain the
    bosses to 0 Mana so they cant attack u back , Mage is an decent attacker , hard to comapre to ranged

    -Cannot leech as efficiently as bishop due to lack of Holy Symbol. Agree
    -Consume Mana like a beast. Disagree - More dmg and faster dmg then bish make his mp eater skill more in use and on high lvls he pretty much dont waste mana

    Bishops


    Advantages:
    -Have access to Holy Symbol Agree
    -Have access to Genesis, which is useful for late game mobs such as Skeles.
    Disagree - Blizzard or meteor storm is useful at same rate as gen against any late mob incloud skele
    -Are wanted @ bossing for healing purposes, and HS. Agree
    -Great for farming. Agree

    Disadvantages:
    -Level 1-39 is HELL. Agree
    -Can only be support while bossing. Agree
    -No Elemental Amplification Disagree -
    on v62 Ele works for bishops
    -Genesis Skill books are expensive due to high demand. Agree

    My opinion :
    On overall every type for magicians are great for fresh start.
    Both got nice cons but i think Ice/Fire would be better choice .
    i played for 4years on private servers as bish first pick , but on last few tries on fresh servers i tried ice mages and i found them quite enjoyable as same role as bish (Main ice its other issue) to grid mesos/lvls.
    *Another thing i saw here on comments is that people compare Bishops to Mages on party spots , a party can have bishop and mage together , there is no rule party should have 1 type of mage if there is no strong NL/Sair's to fill
     
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    When I say "Elemental Amplification" I mean the skill that mages get 3rd job.
     
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    K , so i added another issue to discuss on probly , many players from later versions will think false about ele staff use on 62
    *iam glad we have such topic to discuss about such thingsXatWink
     
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    im pretty sure there is no holy ele staff/wand :confused: i know that the wands are supposed to decrease holy damage but i think thats few versions after 0.62...ils/fps will still get their 10% damage bonus tho
     
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    There is Ele's on v62 its kinda the patch they got to the maple world hh ,
     
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    yeah but no holy one
     
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    Cant argue on because i cant remember lol
     

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