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Can owlrepo.com be even more amazing?

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by fSharp, May 21, 2024.

Would you like to have owlrepo.com with real time data?

  1. Yes!

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  2. No!

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  3. Well...

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  1. fSharp
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    owlrepo.com has an incredibly easy to use and beautiful UI which has tremendously helped a newb as myself getting into the FM. However, infrequent\inconsistent sampling of prices potentially leads to outdated\inaccurate display of trends. This is caused duo to relaying on manual price submissions.
    Motivation: Implementing the suggested changes, would help to stabilize the market as prices of common items would have a clear history pricing (let's say the prices go waaaay up one day. Who remembers what the prices used to be? Only the veteran players. For newbs (or even players of 6+ months) it could be hard to gauge if those price changes are temporary or not)

    # Suggestion
    1. Create a GET API to query FM prices (MapleLegends server side).
    2. Fetch FM prices periodically on owlrepo to have Real-Time prices as well as frequent sampling for more accurate tracking of trends (owlrepo.com server side).

    # Why is this suggestion a QOL improvement

    1. Ease of getting data on prices and follow trends.
    2. Low level items to have a more reasonable price.
    3. Positive introduction of FM to newbs (as even selling pig ribbons would get him 10xmessos, suggesting learning the FM is worth it)
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    4. As prices are known, most likely people will trade more with each other instead of vendoring.
    5. More items available making crafting more accessible.
    5. Potentially harder to scam (new) players as more data is being made available.
    6. Removes the need for one more type of (owl) mule.

    # Counter arguments
    4. More trading in an old school server means in some point good items will saturate the market as the BiS won't be replaced over time and unless the playerbase will increase...

    # Introspection
    This could potentially render IG owls ineffective, which could make this suggestion problematic since spending NX could be a joyful experience that would no longer be a part of shopping in the FM. Even so, I still believe the advantages to outweigh the disadvantages.


    # P.S (counter to Introspection above)
    This thread's suggestion is to be distinguished from my earlier suggestion by not giving the search for players, but only keeping a database of more sampling accessible to all (instead of tracking in a personal Excel sheet).

    To illustrate the difference, in this thread the suggestion does not harm the value of "good spots" in the FM, as players will still have to use Owls (and not everybody uses Ch-Room in their store name).
     
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    Owls would still be required for searching scrolled items.
     
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    I have mixed opinions.

    It’s a good and logical idea, I wouldn’t mind seeing it. OwlRepo is community hosted, so not as easy to find for people not in the loop, maybe it would be preferable if Legends had a system like this either ingame or on the site.

    Why I would disagree is that Legends doesn’t need more features that holds player’s hand.

    At the same time right now we already have this system, it’s just behind vote2win and a not so optimal UI (aka Owls), which is an unhealthy thing too in my opinion.

    If it gets added I don’t mind and will happily use it, if it doesn’t I’m happy too. :cool:
     
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    Wasn’t that more pointed towards the method of bots scraping the fm, rather than the idea of an easy to search marketplace?
     
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    I just wanted to understand, why not owl? there's always a lot nx left
     
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    Hey LeonardoJF!
    I've listed under QoF what I personally find appealing about the idea.
    To answer "why not owl" - ATM I am using plenty of owls which I'm very grateful for having. Before knowing about those I bought Steeles for 1.5m just because I could finally find a pair, even after asking around people who said they're priced at around 100K.

    Could you please expand on why in your opinion you'd rather not to see owlrepo.com prices more up-to-date and real-time?
    If I'm correct, you've said on my other post "no need to make things difficult".
    So I assume there are other things more important to you, and you'd rather see people focus on those?
     
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    It seems I wasn't clear enough, as you respond to my earlier suggestion. I've marked on this thread's post the current suggestion to ease the reading. Thanks for helping me clarify my message :p


    Yes!
    For anyone interested in seeing the context and how this current Suggestion has evolved, here's the original post.
    Briefly, the original post was focused more on an in-game UI, whereas here in the latest suggestion, the focus is purely on making more prices on owlrepo.com.
     
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  9. LeonardoJF
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    Are you a new player? This thing about buying at the wrong price is sad hehe, my point is, at first I thought the site was wonderful too, then I realized that it's better to just use the owl, and to make some modifications to a Improvement on the website only takes time away from things that may be more important for the staff, including the owls, sorry if my other answer talking about this seemed rude, and I agree with you on the point that I wouldn't know how to play without owl
     
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    My biggest concern with this suggestion is that it’s a window of opportunity for legal botting. Even if the MapleLegends team was willing to add FM data to their API (likely a non-trivial task) and it didn’t itself involve botting, the API queries themselves are now exposed to botting activities. Since each API call is not tied to a player account, a malicious actor could just scrape FM data using bots 24/7 and have an automated alert system anytime something is posted below market value, at which point they can then just go and buy it. Because this botting activity is not directly tied to their in-game activity and cannot be 100% traced to an individual, it would basically allow a player to get constant, automated FM data at no NX cost, something which is impossible atm.
     
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    Yes, I am a new player. Coming from WoW where the Economy there is good enough to be a game of itself :)
    Earlier I've suggested to implement the agreed upon changes myself, as to not take away precious time from the staff.

    Thanks for sharing your concerns, as I truly believe such change holds risks that should be discussed to make a smooth going if it ever comes to that :)
    If I understand, you claim it would be harder to catch botting activities. Or that people could set up alerts which aren't bots, but still an unwanted outcome.
    However IMO, people using alerts (and manually going to the shop, not via botting) could help to stabilize the market prices.
    For example, recently Onyx Apples' prices had gone down dramatically. An unofficial observer would tell that the drop rate of apples has decreased - a good solution to fix the price. If however, people would have had alerts, and Apples' values were truly as hard to get as the former 3.2m price, then the price would stabilize at that point.

    # EDIT
    Current state of FM \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ | FM with updated owlrepo.com
    ======================== | ===================
    Bots cheaters: Could easily scrape the market for prices | Could still scrape the market for prices

    Non cheaters: Impossible to keep track of prices over time | Price tracking avaiable

    If average players get access to what bots are used for, that renders bot useless. In other words, Real-Time owlrepo.com prices would benefit non-cheaters more than cheaters - which is a positive thing.
     
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    You could say the same thing about the current market state. If we allowed merchers to use bots in game right now, the market would have much more consistent prices.

    The problem is that it gives an overwhelming advantage to the specific player(s) botting, which would also be the case in your suggestion, as they would be able to make a significant amount of profit as an individual with very little effort since the large majority of the work would be automated. In the spirit of keeping the game fair, it would be a pretty backwards move.
     
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    Wait, did this really happen lol
     
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