Party Exp

good suggestion +1

 

I like it.

Might help curb the 'just make a bishop first lol' mentality i keep seeing.

 

Bad idea imo, it'd break the leeching market.

 

Why is this a bad thing.....?

Mind you im a bit biased i REALLY dislike leeching as a whole. I can see why people who make stupid high int toons for muh washing would 'need' leeching.

Guess people just wanna pay to be lazy otherwise...?

 

It's time to break it.

I agree with this suggestion

 

The whole leeching community needs to raise the price for leeching. Like 10m split 20m solo. High Level Leech from 100 Like 20/40.

This will let ppl think twice If they really want to buy leech. The Partybonus XP could be Higher from 3+ partymember when all active.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Yeah... no.

 

Yeah... yes, fuck leeching with all my heart.

 

Sounds like an interesting thing, especially how it might affect leeching which I personally consider to be a somewhat an odd way of leveling.

 

Leeching been always a part of this community, there's even a dedicated channel for it on the server Discord. You can't just change it all one day, cut people in the middle and suddenly break it after there are tons of characters who already enjoyed this benefit. Not to mention, what those who already got the high INTs would do? Also, it would destroy the whole purpose of having mage mules (aside of lv 81 HS mules).
Let people spend their mesos on leech if they want to, you don't have to do it yourself if you don't want to. Nobody's competing you.

EDIT: There are places that you can't even boss at without stupid amount of hp washing (such as Neo Tokyo, that'd completely kill it).

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe this change would affect leeching? It would keep HS the same while buffing parties without HS.

 

Sounds like you enjoy others not actually playing the game and instead letting you spam your mage ulti for mesos. What about the people with high int gears? They can use them to wash wtf. The whole point of this thread was to BUFF PARTY EXP which would end a reliance on leeching to get to higher levels. If you are saying that NO ONE can boss at Neo Tokyo without leeching, then that shows there is a problem. You should not have to buy leech to level in this game (skusku would agree). You shouldn't have to solo grind at places like mannequins or ghost ship to level up, adding bonus party exp would encourage people to party together instead of leeching. I have a 14X shad and have had issues finding people to train with for MONTHS. My internet isn't good enough to boss, I have 600ms ping since i live in the boonies. Screw the leech paradigm, lets buff party exp.

 

If you don't like leech then don't buy it. I don't understand the constant complaining about it as nobody is forcing you to leech, and trying to make everyone play the game your way is toxic.

Better party exp/slightly nerfed HS would help though. A party of 2 level 75's killing mobs that give 1,000 exp would look something like this:

Spoiler: Boring numbers

Killer: monster exp x (.2 + .8 x level/total party level) x HS factor + (party size bonus)
Leecher: monster exp x (.8 x level/total party level) x HS factor + (party size bonus)

Killer: 1000 x (.2 + .8 x 75/150) + 10%
= 600 + 60 exp
Leecher: 1000 x (.8 x 75/150) + 10%
= 400 + 40 exp

Killer with HS: 1000 x (.2 + .8 x 75/150) x 1.5 + 10%
= 900 + 90 exp
Leecher with HS: 1000 x (.8 x 75/150) x 1.5 + 10%
= 600 + 60 exp

Killer with additional bonus party: 1000 x (.2 + .8 x 75/150) + 20%
= 600 + 120 exp
Leecher with additional bonus party: 1000 x (.8 x 75/150) + 20%
= 400 + 80 exp

Killer with additional bonus party exp and new HS: 1000 x (.2 + .8 x 75/150) x 1.4 + 20%
= 840 + 168 exp
Leecher with additional bonus party exp and new HS: 1000 x (.8 x 75/150) x 1.4 + 20%
= 560 + 112 exp

So for 2 people training together at a similar level, it would be about a ~10%(660->720 exp) increase for them without HS and a ~2%(990->1008 exp) increase with HS.

Now let's see what happens with leech, with a level 150 mage and 2 level 75 leeches, and the mage is killing mobs with 1000 exp again:

Spoiler: More boring numbers

Old system mage: 1000 x (.2 + .8 x 150/300) x 1.5 + 15%
= 900 + 135 exp
Old system leech: 1000 x (.8 x 75/300) x 1.5 + 15%
= 300 + 45 exp

New system mage: 1000 x (.2 + .8 x 150/300) x 1.4 + 25%
= 840 + 210 exp
New system leech: 1000 x (.8 x 75/300) x 1.4 + 25%
= 280 + 70 exp

It would be another slight buff all around, so for leeching you'd get like 1% more exp overall. That might need to be tweaked.

Now let's see what happens with a full party of 6 level 75 characters killing mobs that have a base exp of 1000.

Spoiler: Final boring numbers

Killer: 1000 x (.2 + .8 x 75/450) + 30%
= 333 + 100 exp
Leecher: 1000 x (.8 x 75/450) + 30%
= 133 + 40 exp

Killer with HS: 1000 x (.2 + .8 x 75/450) x 1.5 + 30%
= 500 + 150 exp
Leecher with HS: 1000 x (.8 x 75/450) x 1.5 + 30%
= 200 + 60 exp

Killer with additional bonus party: 1000 x (.2 + .8 x 75/450) + 40%
= 333 + 133 exp
Leecher with additional bonus party: 1000 x (.8 x 75/450) + 40%
= 133 + 53 exp

Killer with additional bonus party exp and new HS: 1000 x (.2 + .8 x 75/450) x 1.4 + 40%
= 466 + 186 exp
Leecher with additional bonus party exp and new HS: 1000 x (.8 x 75/450) x 1.4 + 40%
= 186 + 74 exp

Pretty well the same story when it's 6 people as well. It's about a ~7% buff to those without HS and a <1% buff with HS compared to the old numbers. It could probably work for most numbers but at the same time I don't think leech should be buffed, even if it's just by 1%.

 

yes i agree removing leeching no more slavery wooooooooooo

 

I think what you're forgetting is that some leech maps are some of the most common if not the best grinding spots for everyone as well. The best example is ghost ships, which ends up in maps being more crowded because apart from the amount of players looking for maps to grind, there will also be high level bishops looking for maps to sell leech. This is also the same for WR and other maps.
Although there has been other suggestions to buff other less popular maps that could possibly provide more options (like FoG recently) to help this but leeching does cause sort of a problem because it does impact how others want to play at the moment. You may not see it but for those who don't want to buy leech certain levels become hell due to the lack of options available.

 

There was a time before leech was commonly done, and also significantly worse than it is now. It wasn't a super viable option, yet people managed to get up anyways. Skellies was the fastest leech you could get, and even then it was a lot slower than it is now after the mob cap buffs there. There were only a few Arch Mages because they hadn't yet had the functionality of multiclienting, so if you had one a lot of the time you'd need to also leech a priest (usually for free) as well to get the best exp. They also didn't have places like Ulu 2 or Petris either, so their best options ended up being some mediocre ToT mobs. F/P AM was basically a dead class before Ulu came out. And even if you did have a second computer or VM for another client, you couldn't farm extra NX to wash on that second account because of voting rules.

So no, leveling is not hell for certain classes without leech, certainly not now that there are so many options available. The game is significantly easier than it was 3-4 years ago.

Is leech strong? Yeah. Are other options available? Also yeah. I haven't forgotten anything, I simply remember when things were much more difficult and had people work through it anyways.