Not a Bug Possibly found a bug during the washing of Buccaneer.

What I do know is that there is a difference between adding AP to HP or MP when it is "fresh" from a level or not. Fresh AP gives you the full RNG of possibility plus any MP bonus to int, plus increased bonuses from skills.

But when you reset AP, you lose the maximum amount of HP or MP and gain the minimum, and any int bonuses don't apply. Not sure if the skill bonuses apply either...

But this could be why. It's much more economical for a bucc to level up and add the AP to HP straight away, then wash the mp out, rather than trying to exchange MP for HP through resets.

 

Yes you are correct that fresh AP gives the full RNG. Depending on your class, you get different RNG range for fresh AP verses MP->HP.

As you can see here, this is where you get the extra 20 HP: http://bbb.hidden-street.net/character/class/brawler
(The "if AP applied, +20 more on top on MaxHP" section)

Some code for your bucc HP washing:

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FRESH LEVEL UP:

} else if (c.getPlayer().getJob().isA(MapleJob.PIRATE)) {
improvingMaxHP = SkillFactory.getSkill(5100000);
improvingMaxHPLevel = c.getPlayer().getSkillLevel(improvingMaxHP);
if (improvingMaxHPLevel >= 1) {
MaxHP += rand(16, 20) + improvingMaxHP.getEffect(improvingMaxHPLevel).getY();
} else {
MaxHP += rand(16, 20);

MP -> HP:

} else if (c.getPlayer().getJob().isA(MapleJob.PIRATE)) {
ISkill improvingMaxHP = SkillFactory.getSkill(5100000);
int improvingMaxHPLevel = c.getPlayer().getSkillLevel(improvingMaxHP);
maxhp += 20;
if (improvingMaxHPLevel >= 1) {
maxhp += improvingMaxHP.getEffect(improvingMaxHPLevel).getY();

For a Buccaneer:
Fresh AP: 36 ~ 40 HP
MP->HP: 40 HP

Which means it isn't more economical for a bucc to use fresh AP which averages 38 HP. Instead you can use MP -> HP method to guarantee your 40 HP. He isn't getting 40 HP, much less he got 18 each time which doesn't make any sense.

 

Pretty sure its not a bug.
I've been hp washing to 30k and i've been putting into hp from ap (leveling) to get the extra hp i needed aka. the "40 hp" in your case.
I read it in a guide from a hero here on legends that this is the way hp washing works on this server.

Link:
https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/comprehensive-hero-guide.6402/

Quote from link:
As for how to go about doing this, you won't wash anything until around level 90. At level 90, start adding the AP you gain from leveling into your HP, then wash your MP into your STR. This is different from how I learned it but it's how this server's HP washing works, so you need to! If you try to wash MP directly into HP you'll only get +20 HP per point rather than +50 (just average, it can be higher than 50 sometimes). I suppose this is because you need to add direct AP to proc the skill boost of Improve Max HP Increase (+30 to the +20 you normally get = +50) rather than MP. So that's how you should go about it!

 

If what you say is true, then that means you can only use fresh AP (which for the buccaneer is 36~40) and not mp -> hp. This should be a bug since how come you get a much less HP gain from mp -> hp by doing not fresh points?

 

So the question is: "Should the MaxHP skill proc by using AP points coming from AP reset?"
If answer is yes, then we have a bug.
If answer is no then don't.

 

I think the reason it's like the way it is is because with a high INT, you could just keep washing back and forth HP to MP and vice versa and eventually max out your HP and MP .... even if that does take an obscenely ridiculous amount of AP.

When resets remove the max amount and give back the minimum amount, however, this is impossible.

 

mp>hp will always give you the lowest gain possible which is why people use lvl up AP. It doesn't trigger max hp/mp increase on warriors or mages either.

That's how it's always been anyway.

 

I believe it just doesn't take into account the improve hp, as usually the base for melee is +18, range is +16.
I've seen some servers like Royals implement what you are saying,
While other severs leave it.

It's kinda silly that adding mp>hp would yield more HP than adding a fresh point.
As no other class (including warriors which have a HP buff skill) has this option.

 

Like I said every server has it's different additions to it.
But the general HP washing concept is fresh AP gives more HP, than doing MP>HP.

It really depends on what you want Kim, I could try digging up an old Bucc washing guide from before big bang and looking at those numbers.

But I know for a fact that royals used the hp washing method stated by Chow

 

Depending on what class, level up AP or mp to hp can give more HP.

Found anything regarding the original washing methods? Even if it isn't "original", I think is a good idea to add this method of washing so that people can have two ways to wash.

 

No that's not true. Every class has a certain range for lvl up ap, for example thieves gain 16-20 hp and mp to hp always gets the lowest amount possible (16), no max hp skill bonus and no variable bonus.

There's already two ways to wash, ones just more efficient than the other which it should be because mp to hp is easier to (ab)use.

 

I'm talking about this (taken by Pheelo):

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Here's some data for those who already know about HP Washing:
Job, HP gained, MP lost, Min MP, Min HP
Beginner, +8~12HP, -8MP, (10 x level) +2, (12 x level) +50
Warrior, +50~54HP, -4MP, (4 x level) +156, (24 x level) +172
Thief, +20~24HP, -12MP, (4 x level) +56, (24 x level) +472
Bowman, +16~20HP, -12MP, (14 x level) +148, (20 x level) +378
Magician, +6~10HP, -90MP, (14 x level) +148, (20 x level) +378
Pirate, +16~20HP (+36~40HP for Brawlers), -16MP, (18 x level) +111, (22 x level) +380

Here's some data for HP washing by adding the point to HP using an AP reset, and then removing it using another reset:
Job, HP gained, MP lost, Min MP, Min HP
Beginner, +8~12HP, -8MP, (10 x level) +2, (12 x level) +50
Warrior, +50~55HP, -4MP, (4 x level) +156, (24 x level) +172
Thief, +16~20HP, -12MP, (4 x level) +56, (24 x level) +472
Bowman, +16~20HP, -12MP, (14 x level) +148, (20 x level) +378
Magician, +10~20HP, -90MP, (14 x level) +148, (20 x level) +378
Pirate, +20HP (+40HP for Brawlers), -16MP, (18 x level) +111, (22 x level) +380

And one method isn't more efficient than the other. Depending on class and HP goal, each one has their own merits.

 

Sorry Jackson, this is true to Royals, but not here
The data for HP washing by adding the point to HP using an AP reset is not correct, at least for warrior. We gain 20 (ish) HP with that method, which is why people use level up APs instead

Even though Improved MaxHP increase clearly states: "if AP applied, +30 more on top on MaxHP", it doesn't work and tbh I have no idea why.

 

Those numbers aren't correct for this server. I found this guide to be useful https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/hp-washing-guide.3409/

 

Yes friends xD

That's the argument I'm making here! Why does it not work on this server? Just just from royals, but other pre-big bang servers always have this alternate way of washing. Only this server, have I found out, doesn't allow this type of washing. I assumed all pre-big bang servers had both washing types because I have done that not only for royals, but for other servers too. I am aware there is a difference from this server compared to others and I'm wondering why is that?

Also I'm not saying everything should be what I think is right either or what I'm used to I just find this very odd that only this particular server doesn't host both ways to wash.