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Red Katana Versus Stonetooth Sword (Andyman99999)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Andyman99999, Dec 23, 2015.

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    https://ayumilovemaple.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/maplestory-attack-speed-reference/
    Copy the link above and paste it into your browser, otherwise it'll say it's a dead link.
    Why does this not stack with booster? How much attack speed does it actually add? I know in current GMS, Speed Infusion increases the attacking speed by one whereas booster increases the attack speed by two. It also stacks with booster.

    Putting those questions aside Where are people getting their numbers from? All I see are bad formulas and things that don't even exist in this MapleLegends getting added to the formulas. I will admit endgame RK would be better then a Stonetooth if certain items did in fact exist as long as Speed Infusion doesn't stack with booster (which it does not stack with booster in Legends).

    The delay on brandish is 630 milleseconds with a red katana using booster (fast 4 sword). With booster, it hits the speed cap of Faster (2). The stonetooth sword is fast (5) and with booster becomes faster (3). which is 690 ms as shown in the results:

    Brandish/Blast
    Faster (2): 630ms (-210ms)
    Faster (3): 690ms (-150ms)
    Fast (4): 750ms (-90ms)
    Fast (5): 810ms (-30ms)
    Normal (6): 840ms
    Slow (7): 900ms (+60ms)
    Slow (8): 960ms (+120ms)

    This means the RK compared to another 1h sword would have 690/630 = 1.0952380952380952380952380952381...
    this is NOT how much faster or slower the sword is. This just shows how much longer it takes to swing a faster 3 weapon compared to a faster 2 weapon with brandish after moving the decimal point right twice (109.52%). I did not move the decimal point yet and I will use rounding for this. You move the decimal place over by two to the right. That's means faster (3) swings 109.524...% of faster (2). <--- This part is extremely confusing. What I meant is that it's roughly 9.5% times slower then faster (3). I round this down to about 9.5% because if you're going to be that anal about it, you can use 9.6% and see how much of a different it's going to make (not much). This means a Red Katana deals about the same damage as a 1h fast 5 sword using booster and brandish by 9.5 attack for every 100 total attack you have with it. At 200 attack, a Red Katana will have roughly the same amount of damage as a 218 attack 1H Sparta (There is a 2H Sparta).

    For my example I'm going to be using only Solo skills for Hero in my example meaning, sharp eyes and any other skill a Hero has is not going to be used in the example. However, Heartstoppers will be used since they exist in the game and they are NOT class related. I mean anyone can use them.

    Level 200 Hero
    Base Stats (1,030 Combined)
    Str: 999 (+10%)
    Dex: 23 (+10%)
    Int: 4 (+10%)
    Luk: 4 (+10%)
    * The 10% comes from Level 30 Maple Warrior.

    Total Stats Stonetooth Sword (2H):
    Str: 1,177 (1,177.9)
    Dex: 121 (121.3)
    Int: Doesn't matter
    Luk: Doesn't matter
    Stonetooth Sword Total Attack: 224
    I was told something where as the multiplier for a 2h sword is 4.5 whereas the multiplier for 1h sword is 4. This means to find out how much attack a Stonetooth Sword would have compared to a 1h sword would be 4.5/4 = 1.125 meaning it's equivalent to a 1h fast 5 sword @ 252 attack.

    Edited: Stonetooth Sword can possibly be the BEST Sword in the game (DPS-Wise) unless SI gives +4 speed instead of what I think it should be [+3 to speed]. <--- Thanks to SamVosh saying +4. I can't vouch for +4 speed especially since I didn't know SI back in the day. I can only vouch for it adding one speed from the newer versions of MapleStory. The Dragon Claymore would end up being the best if Speed Infusion does add +4 speed. If Speed Infusion is intended to add three speed, then it goes to the Stonetooth Sword.

    Edited: Thanks to Losj for telling me MW 30 is unobtainable here. No Equips were modified since we only lost 1 dex with the current equips.


    Total Stats 1h User:
    Str: 1,241 (1,241.85)
    Dex: 122 (122.45)
    Int: Doesn't matter
    Luk: Doesn't matter
    Dragon Carabella Total Attack: 250
    Red Katana Total Attack: 228
    Fast 5 Equal @ 207 Attack: 228 (1.095) = 249.66
    Onyx apples would surely make it easier to reach an attack @ and higher then this and put the Red Katana at #1 1H Sword with the same equipment.

    Edit: Changed this to best (Most DPS without SI 1H Sword)

    Red Katana: 88 + 35 = 123 Attack 21 Str
    Shield: 21 Attack 14 Str
    Dragon Carabella: 110 + 35 = 145 Attack 21 Str
    Shield: 21 Attack 14 Str
    Stonetooth Sword: 105 + 35 = 140 Attack 21 Str

    Equips:
    Brown Work Gloves: 21 attack

    PAC: 3 Attack

    Pendant: Horntail Necklace
    Str: 23
    Dex: 22
    Int: 22
    Luk: 22

    Helm: Zakum Helmet
    Str: 17
    Dex: 37
    Int: 17
    Luk: 17

    Top: Black Neos
    Str: 16
    Dex: 2

    Bottom: Green Neos Paants
    Dex: 25

    Shoes: Green Crecent Boots
    Str: 2
    Dex: 10

    Pots:
    Heartstopper: 60 Attack



    Unfortunately Since Speed Infusion doesn't stack with booster (What's the point of it?) which would increase the damage of the Dragon Carabella and Stonetooth sword. The Red Katana would stay at the same speed because it's already capped out with booster. Lower total attacks will increase the gaps between the three swords. I would also like to point out that the Red Katana and Dragon Carabella would have that extra 14 strength (if you think that's better then 2 extra attack then you're probably wrong with these stats).

    Edited 12:28/2015 (MM/DD/YEAR)
    Echo of Hero: I did not include this buff. It is unclear if it will stack with any pots since no one is 200 yet.
     
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    does not exist here.
     
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    As if you plan to get those equips or 200 in the next year Onionthehehe
     
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    No one has it, different then it not existing.
     
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    I take that back it doesn't exist LOL. PB drops it...
     
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    haha yep. Came from PMD and eventually Pink bean. forever 10% stats :(
     
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    Still gives you 121 Dex with 10% to MW (Enough to wield a stonetooth sword). Does not affect the ending outcomes much. The only part it would mess up is when comparing different sets of equipment (The extra strength [21] from the shield) when comparing it to a Stonetooth sword. Since more strength gives a higher multiplier for weapon attack and vice versa.
     
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    You can still get MW 20 from HT.
     
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    These aren't even "perfect". Take for example the Zhelm (all 60/70%s). The HTP was egged once (Asked a GM, no one responded if they exist in the game or not). BWGs 27 attack... gl getting those. 27 att shield, goodluck getting that. At least 2h is cheaper to build for.
     
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    The person in question already has a red katana with I believe 5 30% passed and a 17 att shield so he is doing pretty well. Fun fact he whites nightlords on zakum :)
     
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    690 ms vs 630 ms is actually a round about way of comparing differences in speed.

    690 ms = 86.96 attacks per minute

    630 ms = 95.24 attacks per minute

    95.24 / 86.96 = 1.095 = 690/630

    It means faster(2) has 10% more DPS than faster(3), all other things like WATK and stats held constant.


    Can we actually confirm speed infusion doesn't stack with booster? Is it even relevant? I wasn't aware it was a party buff.
     
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    It isn't THAT relevant in this. I'm saying that if SI did stack with Booster that it would be relevant because it would be ST best sword in the game, no contest.
     
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    I was told Maple Warrior 20 drops from horntail...
     
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    690 ms is .69 seconds compared to .63 seconds. Why do more math when you can do less math? 9.538... % [see above for the number] faster. 10% faster would be more inaccurate then 9.5% since you could just round up to 9.6%. It would be enough to change the RK to getting to #1 place from 2nd place. Either way, the three sword are about the same. Btw why would you spend more money on a sword an shield compared to just a sword?
     
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    HT did drop MW 30. At least it did in GMS (soloed HT twice a day and found several).
    general rule of thumb was that a 16 atk shield would account for the 4.5/4 multiplier that changes with 1h and 2h swords. so a 16 atk shield would mean that your 1h would have to be the same atk as your 2h sword to show the same dmg.
    SI and booster do two different things. SI does stack with booster. it changes the number on which the weapons frame rates work. since as you said the RK tops out at faster(2) SI has no effect. Stonetooths are effected by SI which makes them even faster.
     
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    False, mw 20 initial dropped from ht. Mw30 was from pb and later added to ht. This version is mw20 max
     
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    TL;DR when selfbuffed RK has highest dpm potential, while ST has highest dpm potential when used with SI

    Riiiiiight?
     
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    Yep. mostly because of the fact that you get 1 more item. In "Perfect" situations you are correct. well not even perfect. but high enough that it is unlikely to achieve.
     

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