remove mapowner automatically if the person who has the map is dead

I understand the sentiment from your side, but I do believe implementing this can cause some tricky situations with - predominantly - area bosses. I feel like the nightlord dying to Anego should definitely still have the right to be res'd and continue, it was his boss after all. Dying to a boss shouldn't mean someone else gets to yoink it imo.

 

This is a 50/50 for me, I neither really agree or really disagree with this.

Reason because, if the bishop belongs to this player, he/she still has the right away to resurrect the him/herself (or rather mapowner).

While also, yes, you do make a point that it doesn't really make sense for a mapowner to exist because he/she is dead. But yea.

(apologies if I was spamming. This forum website was giving me 522, 524 errors and weird behavior while posting.)

 

I agree that it doesn't logically make sense for a dead player to be able to hold map even for bosses. If not for dual client and the fact most users make a bishop, you would have to respawn and lose the map anyways. I don't think sitting there as a ghost qualifies you to be "owning" a map.

 

To further Ainz's point, the mapowner rules probably work for dead people, so there is no incentive to grief mapowners by killing them. There has been a few times where I was camping anego, and someone aggro'd her into me while I was telling them to leave.

 

This is also reinforced in ToS as a bannable offense. It can (and should be) be reported.

 

I really like the idea of a boss being yoinkable if the mapowner dies (and there were no other active party members participating), ESPECIALLY for hyper-competitive bosses like Anego. As-is, Anego is just a contest to see how long you're willing to park a mule and tag a mob every 5 min. The fact that she's on an 8h spawn and is always contested makes committing to killing her an absolute chore. Allowing people to (fairly) snipe adds some much-needed spice and actually makes it feasible for other people to contest her without knowing all timers and devoting 3 hours of their life on 8 clients. Griefing people is a bannable offense in either scenario.

Boss hunting vs another player is really fun as long as the rules are respected. I understand Maplestory is a friendly social game but it kind of sucks that the one mildly competitive thing about it can be taken advantage of.

 

I agree with you, if the player is dead the mapowner should be refreshed but having mapowner go away after a set duration like that isn't the way to go.
(remove the mapowner duration and I'll change my reaction.)

Just make ghost a ghost and refresh owner if hit points reach 0.

Unless hes haunting the map then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I mean thats probably why ghosts can own a map.

 

Even if he lost mapowner some people would call that sniping/yoinking a map; you can consider it however you like. I'm saying I don't think that exact scenario, or the ecosystem that follows, is a bad thing at all

 

Yes, it's also hard for a dead person to report mapowner problems, if their @mapowner disappears when they're dead.

Edit: For example, in various meta training maps, the safe spots rely on the mobs not being aggro'd. Suppose you go pee, and aren't there to witness someone grief you by aggro'ing mobs. If you lose mapowner, you can't report it. They can just say, you lost mapowner, and they legally aggro'd mobs.

 

Yeah but killing someone in a map is also a reportable offense.

 

Yes, but how are you supposed to report them, without the proper @mapowner text above your dead head in the ss.

 

You don't need mapowner, if you're in a spot thats safe but monsters have like a ranged attack that can hit you regardless and that person baits them over its reportable.

 

Yes, I know, but how do you report it? The easiest way is to show someone attacking in a map you have mapowner in. If you die instantly, and lose mapowner, what do you do? And most people don't record their screen 24/7.

 

I don't understand this argument. If you go AFK and you come back and you are dead and someone else is using the map, I don't think you have proof to report them for griefing you. You can ask them to leave but then you have to respawn to continue to have ownership. Generally if everyone on the map is dead I would assume that the map is free. Once you respawn, you lose ownership anyways unless you can get someone to res you.

You have to have proof they killed you intentionally to report this. If you went pee and died that is your own problem and not proof.

 

NVIDIA ShadowPlay, it can record a brief bit of what happened before you recorded or so Nightz777 uses it iirc.

 

Not sure if this is the point of having it, but there use to be an issue of warriors/bucc? rushing the bosses into low hp attackers to steal the boss. The being killed while afk seems like an odd example to be the main argument.

 

Yeah, that's a better example.