Making HP Washing Truly Optional - a Solution

If you don't understand why my example shows that normal HP washing is easy, you probably don't know enough about washing.

 

..what are you trying to say..

Spoiler: Okay.. fine, donating is wrong.

Better?

 

You sure it wasn't one per loot of a chance for an item/helm/pendant or trade the 'orb' in for HP? Saga has it this way.

 

Yes, I was talking about Croosade but wasn't sure if we can say server names here

 

120 base int, 100 mp washes
That's 682,000 nx or 124 days of voting at 5,500 NX a day. With streak bonus, you're probably looking at 110 days of voting. With double NX days, closer to 100. Add in one event that yields ~10 AP resets? 90 days of voting.

120 base int and 100 mp washes.
That alone will yield you 1,333 hp from the MP wash to stale wash conversion, or up to 1,500 on average with fresh hp wash. You'll have much more leftover MP from level up gain, and even more with INT gear. That will easily put you over the required 1937 HP/1292 MP that PandaOnPanda mentioned.

Considering the fact that new players will get to level 70 in the first 2 weeks of playing, telling them they have to do a daily quest that takes 15-30 minutes each day over 200 days doesn't sound that much better does it? How long do you think it'll take for them to get to bossing levels past 70? 3 weeks? 6 months?

The way I see it - people will make their 3rd job ranged character and then leech anyways when they realize their solo eph is 1/3rd the rate of the next best leech option. Then they'll quit anyways when they find out their minimum hp goals-'end game' attacker is a liability to any host.

 

I don't think so, people still still play regardless of leech or not.

Not all bossers tend to only take fully washed people on runs, fun runs exist too along with other runs that their friends would invite together.

 

Sounds a whole lot better than "sorry, you didn't put int into an assassin now you gotta restart your whole character"

 

I reckon you believe you'd enjoy playing a 7-month old lvl 130 NL with 4k hp from doing 200 daily quests/100 hours of content. I'm here to say you probably won't.

 

I know this is aimed towards them since the quote, but I enjoyed daily quests/100 hours of content for ap resets.

I'm level 128 on my Night Lord and it has 14k hp. (My INT gear is on my Archer)

Spoiler

 

Just like all the other numbers you pull out of no where, those don't correlate with the OP at all.... However, if the "100 hours of content" is something I enjoy doing like PQing or killing mobs, then yea, I would enjoy it.

 

Excuse me while I use BOLDED TEXT to refute how ridiculous this sounds.

That's not the point. Minimally HP washing is "easy" in terms of effort; however, learning the ins and outs of HP Washing and going through the effort to buy very expensive gear, gimp your character, and plan that far ahead- for a new player especially- is not. It's very, very daunting. People get very discouraged when they find out there's content they straight up can't do unless they metaphorically shoot their character in the foot for a long ass time, and there's even points of no return where they're just screwed. Even IF someone has done all their homework and knows the ins and outs of washing (which is far from the majority, let's be real), they can still struggle to hit certain HP thresholds barring having a ridiculous amount of base INT.

This suggestion, however, gives absolutely anyone the ability to, eventually, run content they wouldn't otherwise be able to run without making washing obsolete. It doesn't matter how ridiculous that sounds to you, but that's the difference between someone staying on the server and someone quitting out of frustration.

In addition, for people who ARE washing, this suggestion
1) Prevents any player from getting fucked over by not having started soon enough. Having to invest more time in the game is way more palatable than having to restart and feeling like everything you've done up until this point is a waste, regardless of how long that takes.
2) Provides MP in addition to HP washing methods, which means you need less INT to reach your goal. You'd still need the about same amount of NX, but needing a lower base INT and potentially less MP washing to hit your goal makes it easier for your character to be playable while you work your way up. Plus, you'd be able to reset your INT sooner, making your endgame character playable faster.
3) Provides a means for existing players to get more HP. New players aren't the only use case. Imagine if you stopped at 9.2k HP to enjoy all of ML's content, and then Pink Bean drops out of nowhere and you can't run it? Imagine if you originally planned to have 13k HP, but now want to push for 18.75k (or higher)? Why should you have to restart your character in order to do that? It might be significantly faster, but at the end of the day people get attached to their characters and don't want to restart.

The fact that HP Washing is faster means is not an argument in your favor. If anything it which provides yet another argument for why this is a good idea- as an ALTERNATIVE that's slower, does not require any prior planning, and is future-proof.

I'm not saying this suggestion is unquestionably the right answer, but it's a damn good idea.

Finally, I'm gonna throw it back to what I was originally quoted (and please imagine me saying this in the most sarcastic tone possible):
If you don't understand why this suggestion is a good idea, you probably don't know enough about washing.

 

(partially joke, partially wish) Staff when. I wish to see you changes maplelegends more enjoyable in future step by step.

I feel super weird for I'm doing almost same stuff with you (like a ranged class with insane potential from last year), but completely can't understand what you saying and totally agree on HP washing is big hurdle (especially for someone who can't use 3b+ like me on int gears, and abuse mage from lv.10 ~ eternity, from start of ranged characters life - in short, newcomers, who should be able to enjoy ML together with us.) and need to be fixed eventually, so heavily agreeing on OP's suggestion.

May I ask any furthermore explanation if I'm wrong? I'm totally open for changing my mind (or, I wish to think so) if your logic is reasonable. or, seems I don't understand about washing deep enough like you so saying above bullshits ......sorry for my noobish.

 

I think the main issue with the "120 base int is easy" argument is that players starting out have 0 funding and the only way to get damage is to add ap to their main stat. For a new assassin this means that rushing 120 base int uses up 24 levels worth of ap, causing their dmg to be severely crippled bc they can not pump luk. How is doing 10 dmg L7s at level 34 exciting? Even if they manage to push to lv70 where the real grind starts, what little funds they have scrapped together is still not enough to negate "losing" 24 levels worth of ap.

The first 30 levels of content (and lpq) are what the majority of new players seek to re-experience in an old school server and we should be able to let them have that without needing to worry so extensively about being locked out of end game content. Along the way from lv1-70 they will eventually learn about hp washing from chatting with others, so I think that lv70 is the prime time for them to be able to work towards that min hp goal for bossing without it being too overwhelming.

Sku's solution will allow new players to have fun actually dealing dmg and killing mobs during early to mid game and in turn they won't be discouraged just because they wanted to play a ranged character.

 

Yes, this exactly. I would love to be able to play the game normally and still be able to boss later down the road, even if that meant I had to do daily quests for a long time as well as not having as much HP as those who washed.

It's also worth mentioning that I think A LOT of new players and returning players would come to the server if the word spreads that legends is TRUELY optional HP wash.

 

i've set myself on this path once.
63 base int (with 17int zhelm) at lvl 50, 80 base int at lvl 70.

i didn't pay for leech. This is my first char, no mage, very little external funds (afew mils from friends, I doubt anything above 10m), occasionally get free leech for afew percentage here and there (very likely less den 10% per level) from my friends, totally stopped leeching since lvl 100.

on top of that, im playing a Fighter, with actual cleaving skills suited for grinding (CA + Slash Blast)

im currently level 159 now. Did I regret this? No probably not. Maybe alittle for Paladin may have subjectively be a better choice.

Is it easy? No definitely not. Is it hard? For me, definitely yes.

 

Hard agree on everything you wrote but this just seems highly unlikely.​

 

Quite frankly, idgaf if this gets implemented or not. If it draws new players, by all means, go for it.

My opinion on this matter is that this idea is one that might seem like a good idea on paper, but once implemented, it will end up being a trap that will inadvertently cause people to sink more time into an attacker they wished they had planned better. And after they spend a year into grinding a lvl 170+ attacker with a minimum hp threshold that now seems inadequate or inconvenient, they'll come back and make more hp washing threads.

Like I said, hp washing is probably one of the easier goals in this game. Once you get to that point and realize what needs to be done to actually do anything worthwhile in this game, you'll understand and make a mage.

I'll leave you with a quote from a HP washing thread back in 2019 that resonates with me.

There's a valid reason why almost every older player washes heavier than the minimum requirement.

 

I feel like new players are really left out sometimes. My IRL Friends who play MapleLegends play this game maybe 2~4 hours a week but get really discouraged by the concept of HP washing so much that they just give up. I feel like this system would truly change things if I could tell them, just play and forget about HP Washing. You just need to put some effort. I'm sure 100% of them would have a much better response.

Please add this to the game.

 

the whole point is not to force players to make a mage, unless they geniunely want to play that class. If this is the case i might as well play v83, where at least i can make a FP and get 12 levels of Blessing of Fairy (+12wa), at least its not effort wasted once im done using that char.

thats true, but there are also older players who maanged to enjoy without heavy washing, like AioriaX.

Also, there's a huge difference between playable but can be better, VS totally unplayable