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HP Washing Helper

Discussion in 'Help & Advice' started by Hyoon, Oct 18, 2017.

  1. benblobist
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    Desired HP: 18.75k
    Current Level: 83
    Desired Level: 130
    Job: Dark Knight
    Current Base Int: 20
    Total Int from Equips: 71
    Current Base MP: 824
    Current HP: 9273
    Additional Information: Wanting to know how many ap resets I need more and how many SP should I pump to hp per lvl till 130. thanks
     
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    Thank you very much for the detailed reply :)
    I'll make sure to name-drop you next time
     
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    I'll be doing your calculations soon, do you want to remain at 240 base INT or willing to go even higher?
    What level do you want to wash out your base INT by.
     
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    I'm willing to go as far as needed with base int as needed, and im going to wash at lvl 160.

    The main thing is keeping the amount of ap resets the lowest as possible
     
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    Desired HP: 5.6k
    Current Level: 109
    Desired Level: 155
    Job: Outlaw/Corsair
    Current Base Int: 24
    Total Int from Equips: 88
    Current Base MP: 2060 (without dep star)
    Current HP: 3658 (without dep star)

    Wanted to know if I can hit the min hp for HT without wearing my dep star; also if you could tell me how many AP resets I'll need. Thanks!
     
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    Desired HP: 5k
    Current Level: 79
    Desired Level: 120
    Job: Hermit
    Current Base Int: 60
    Total Int from Equips: 85
    Current Base MP: 1482
    Current HP: 2997
     
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    Okay so i'll do 3 comparative calculations.
    Firstly i'll lay out the base calculations

    Current Excess of HP;

    Min HP @ Lvl 51 = 20 * 51 + 378 = 1398
    Excess of HP = 2187 - 1398 = 789 Excess HP

    Current Excess MP;

    Min MP @ Lvl 51 = 14 * 51 + 148 = 862
    Excess of MP = 1920 - 862 = 1058 Excess MP
    1058/12 = 89 ~ washes

    Total Base INT = 240
    Total INT = 240 + 12 + 90 = 342 INT

    Min HP at;
    Lvl 150 = 20 * 150 + 378 = 3378
    Lvl 160 = 20 * 160 + 378 = 3578

    Adding your current Excess HP

    Lvl 150 = 3378 + 789 = 4167
    Lvl 160 = 3578 + 789 = 4367

    Note these numbers will definitely be higher as this is the absolute minimum you can get from leveling.

    I'm going to assume that you want this number of 18.7k by 150/160.

    Difference of HP needed and washes needed;

    18700 - 4167 = 14533 HP needed for 150
    18700 - 4367 = 14333 HP needed for 160

    Number of Washes 16(min)/18(average)

    14533/16 = 909 washes, 14533/18 = 808 washes
    14333/16 = 896 washes, 14333/18 = 797 washes

    I don't like to assume the maximum outcome of fresh AP washing, as it's almost impossible to achieve.
    Using the base minimum will ensure you will 100% hit your goal.

    Calculation 1; MP Washing now

    Assuming that your INTs are unchange and you MP wash back into a main stat (not back to INT).

    Since you have 240 base INT you will receive 22 MP per AP, and 110 MP using all 5 AP from leveling.

    Looking back at the HP difference needed, you'll need a total of about 900 washes on average at 150 and 800 washes on average at 160.

    Calculating the excess at 150/160

    Excess MP at 150 = 99 * 34 = 3366 MP
    Excess MP at 160 = 109 * 34 = 3706 MP

    3366/12 = 281 Washes + 89 (Current Washes) = 370 Total Washes
    3706/12 = 309 Washes + 89 (Current Washes) = 398 Total Washes

    This will put your washes required to 530 (150), 402 (160)

    Lets see how many levels you'll need to mp wash for,

    530*12=6360 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    6360/22 = 289 MP washes needed or 57 Levels and 4 additional MP washes

    Would only need to MP wash till 109 ~

    402*12=4824 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    4824/22 = 219 MP washes needed or 43 Levels and 4 additional MP washes needed.

    Would only need to MP wash till 95 ~

    So how much will this cost?

    900 resets to wash your HP + 289 washes to MP wash + 236 washes to clear out INT.
    = 1425 washes total.

    Calculation 2; 10 INT Base Higher

    So continuing with the information above.

    You will be leveling twice with 342 INT and adding it to your base INT.
    You will gain 34*2 = 68 MP
    And your new total int will be 352.
    Making your excess MP = 1058 + 68 = 1126 MP
    or 1126/12 = 94 Washes

    You will then gain at 150/160

    Lvl 150 = 97 * 35 = 3395 MP
    Lvl 160 = 107 * 35 = 3745 MP

    3395/12 = 283 Washes + 94 (Current Washes) = 377 Total Washes
    3745/12 = 312 Washes + 94 (Current Washes) = 406 Total Washes

    This will put your washes required to 523 (150), 394 (160)

    Lets see how many levels you'll need to mp wash for,

    523*12=6276 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    6276/23 = 277 MP washes needed or 55 Levels and 3 additional MP washes

    Would only need to MP wash till 108 ~

    394*12=4728 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    4728/23 = 206 MP washes needed or 41 Levels and 2 additional MP washes needed.

    Would only need to MP wash till 95 ~

    So how much will this cost?

    900 resets to wash your HP + 277 washes to MP wash + 246 washes to clear out INT.
    = 1423 washes total.

    So it seems that the pattern is that you save around ~2 resets every extra 10 INT you add. But it's not too significant, since adding base INT will hinder your damage longer, while MP washing earlier allows you to place the points into core stats (LUK/DEX).

    Calculation 3; 30K route (Stopping at 18.7k)

    The main 30K route is to pump INT till 70.
    Then MP washing the correct amount till you hit the MP required.

    You will be leveling 19 times with different INT amounts and adding it to your base INT.
    Level 52 = 245 Base INT
    Level 70 = 340 Base INT (Including the 5 your get from advancement)

    You average about 290 Base INT during these 19 levels
    Including your INT gear and MW = 290 + 14 + 90 = 394 total INT
    This will give you an excess of = 39 * 19 = 741 Excess MP
    Adding back to your current excess = 741 + 1058 = 1799
    1799/12 = 150 Washes

    You will then have with INT gear and MW = 340 + 17 + 90 = 447 total INT
    You will then gain at 150/160

    Lvl 150 = 80 * 44 = 3520 MP
    Lvl 160 = 90 * 44 = 3960 MP

    3520/12 = 294 Washes + 150 (Current Washes) = 444 Total Washes
    3960/12 = 330 Washes + 150 (Current Washes) = 480 Total Washes

    This will put your washes required to 456 (150), 320 (160)

    Lets see how many levels you'll need to mp wash for,

    456*12 = 5472 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    5472/32 = 171 MP washes needed or 34 Levels and 1 additional MP wash

    Would only need to MP wash till 104 ~

    320*12= 3840 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    3840/32 = 120 MP washes needed or 24 Levels

    Would only need to MP wash till 94

    So how much will this cost?

    900 resets to wash your HP + 171 washes to MP wash + 336 washes to clear out INT.
    = 1407 washes total.

    So it seems that this method is even better for washing to 18.7k.
    Assuming that you leave your base INT till 150/160.
    However the amount of AP resets aren't too significant.
     
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    Desired HP: 5.6
    Current Level: 132
    Desired Level: 155
    Job: Pirate Corsair
    Current Base Int: 20
    Total Int from Equips: 80
    Current Base MP: 2460
    Current HP: 4106
    Additional Information: No idea why the Mp is lower than the formula for min mp \o/
     
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    Desired HP: 5.6k
    Current Level: 69
    Desired Level: 155/??? (to reach goal)
    Job: Assassin
    Current Base Int: (Not including Items) 4
    Total Int from Equips: (When you're fully geared up, Also tell me if you have any future items you are expecting to get) Only 10. Will be planning to get Int equips I can afford (I have only about 25-30m, will also try to scroll myself)
    Current Base MP: (Subtract all the MP you get from equips) 1181
    Current HP: (You can tell me base aswell, as some players may replace Deputy for HTP therefore losing 100 HP). 2043 base HP + 100HP with dep star
    Additional Information: (Feel free to add) Basically I learnt about HP Washing wayyy too late, also that this was my first account so I couldn't get int equips. I'm sorry if this information is too little, but I want to know approximately how much int I need EACH level to get 5.6k by 155, or if that is impossible, what are even the odds of me getting 5.6k (via blood washing/mp...). I will consider creating a new account if necessary ;_;

    Thank you so much in advance for your help!
     
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    So once again replying to this with the 3 calculations done.

    General Calculations

    Current Excess of HP;

    Min HP @ Lvl 51 = 20 * 51 + 378 = 1398
    Excess of HP = 2187 - 1398 = 789 Excess HP

    Current Excess MP;

    Min MP @ Lvl 51 = 14 * 51 + 148 = 862
    Excess of MP = 1920 - 862 = 1058 Excess MP
    1058/12 = 89 ~ washes

    Total Base INT = 240
    Total INT = 240 + 12 + 90 = 342 INT

    Min HP at;
    Lvl 150 = 20 * 150 + 378 = 3378
    Lvl 160 = 20 * 160 + 378 = 3578

    Adding your current Excess HP

    Lvl 150 = 3378 + 789 = 4167
    Lvl 160 = 3578 + 789 = 4367

    Note these numbers will definitely be higher as this is the absolute minimum you can get from leveling.

    I'm going to assume that you want this number of 18.7k by 150/160.

    Difference of HP needed and washes needed;

    18700 - 4167 = 14533 HP needed for 150
    18700 - 4367 = 14333 HP needed for 160

    Number of Washes 16(min)/18(average)

    14533/16 = 909 washes, 14533/18 = 808 washes
    14333/16 = 896 washes, 14333/18 = 797 washes

    I don't like to assume the maximum outcome of fresh AP washing, as it's almost impossible to achieve.
    Using the base minimum will ensure you will 100% hit your goal.

    Calculation 1; MP Washing now

    Assuming that your INTs are unchange and you MP wash back into a main stat (not back to INT).

    Since you have 240 base INT you will receive 22 MP per AP, and 110 MP using all 5 AP from leveling.

    Looking back at the HP difference needed, you'll need a total of about 900 washes on average at 150 and 800 washes on average at 160.

    Calculating the excess at 150/160

    Excess MP at 150 = 99 * 34 = 3366 MP
    Excess MP at 160 = 109 * 34 = 3706 MP

    3366/12 = 281 Washes + 89 (Current Washes) = 370 Total Washes
    3706/12 = 309 Washes + 89 (Current Washes) = 398 Total Washes

    This will put your washes required to 530 (150), 402 (160)

    Lets see how many levels you'll need to mp wash for,

    530*12=6360 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    6360/22 = 289 MP washes needed or 57 Levels and 4 additional MP washes

    Would only need to MP wash till 109 ~

    402*12=4824 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    4824/22 = 219 MP washes needed or 43 Levels and 4 additional MP washes needed.

    Would only need to MP wash till 95 ~

    So how much will this cost?

    900 resets to wash your HP + 289 washes to MP wash + 236 washes to clear out INT.
    = 1425 washes total.

    Calculation 2; 10 INT Base Higher

    So continuing with the information above.

    You will be leveling twice with 342 INT and adding it to your base INT.
    You will gain 34*2 = 68 MP
    And your new total int will be 352.
    Making your excess MP = 1058 + 68 = 1126 MP
    or 1126/12 = 94 Washes

    You will then gain at 150/160

    Lvl 150 = 97 * 35 = 3395 MP
    Lvl 160 = 107 * 35 = 3745 MP

    3395/12 = 283 Washes + 94 (Current Washes) = 377 Total Washes
    3745/12 = 312 Washes + 94 (Current Washes) = 406 Total Washes

    This will put your washes required to 523 (150), 394 (160)

    Lets see how many levels you'll need to mp wash for,

    523*12=6276 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    6276/23 = 277 MP washes needed or 55 Levels and 3 additional MP washes

    Would only need to MP wash till 108 ~

    394*12=4728 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    4728/23 = 206 MP washes needed or 41 Levels and 2 additional MP washes needed.

    Would only need to MP wash till 95 ~

    So how much will this cost?

    900 resets to wash your HP + 277 washes to MP wash + 246 washes to clear out INT.
    = 1423 washes total.

    So it seems that the pattern is that you save around ~2 resets every extra 10 INT you add. But it's not too significant, since adding base INT will hinder your damage longer, while MP washing earlier allows you to place the points into core stats (LUK/DEX).

    Calculation 3; 30K route (Stopping at 18.7k)

    The main 30K route is to pump INT till 70.
    Then MP washing the correct amount till you hit the MP required.

    You will be leveling 19 times with different INT amounts and adding it to your base INT.
    Level 52 = 245 Base INT
    Level 70 = 340 Base INT (Including the 5 your get from advancement)

    You average about 290 Base INT during these 19 levels
    Including your INT gear and MW = 290 + 14 + 90 = 394 total INT
    This will give you an excess of = 39 * 19 = 741 Excess MP
    Adding back to your current excess = 741 + 1058 = 1799
    1799/12 = 150 Washes

    You will then have with INT gear and MW = 340 + 17 + 90 = 447 total INT
    You will then gain at 150/160

    Lvl 150 = 80 * 44 = 3520 MP
    Lvl 160 = 90 * 44 = 3960 MP

    3520/12 = 294 Washes + 150 (Current Washes) = 444 Total Washes
    3960/12 = 330 Washes + 150 (Current Washes) = 480 Total Washes

    This will put your washes required to 456 (150), 320 (160)

    Lets see how many levels you'll need to mp wash for,

    456*12 = 5472 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    5472/32 = 171 MP washes needed or 34 Levels and 1 additional MP wash

    Would only need to MP wash till 104 ~

    320*12= 3840 (Washes expanded to excess MP needed)
    3840/32 = 120 MP washes needed or 24 Levels

    Would only need to MP wash till 94

    So how much will this cost?

    900 resets to wash your HP + 171 washes to MP wash + 336 washes to clear out INT.
    = 1407 washes total.

    So it seems that this method is even better for washing to 18.7k.
    Assuming that you leave your base INT till 150/160.
    However the amount of AP resets aren't too significant.
     
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    So how you do it is, you wear all your INT gear.
    Then you make a new character ;)
     
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    So lets start off with the excess MP.
    Min MP = 111 * 14 + 148 = 1702
    Excess MP = 1777 - 1702 = 75
    75/12 = 6 washes

    Lets see how much above the min HP you're currently at
    Min HP = 20 * 111 + 378 = 2598 HP @ 111
    Difference in HP = 3325 - 2598 = 727 HP difference

    So lets estimate what base HP you would have at 135 without washing anything
    Min HP at Lvl 135 = 20 * 135 + 378 = 3078 HP
    Adding back the HP difference = 3078 + 727 = 3805

    So you want to hit 5.6k by 135
    So you would need = 5600 - 3805 = 1795
    1795/16 = 112 washes (MIN)
    1795/18 = 100 washes (AVG)

    So you have 179 total INT which equates to 17 MP per level.
    Just from purely leveling you would get = 24 * 17 = 408 MP
    408/12 = 34 Washes

    This means that you are still quite far off your goal.
    However my recommendation would be to get the 5.6k goal a bit later around 150-160.
    The reasoning is because at 135, you don't do much damage first of all.
    Second of all each level difference you have is an extra 1% damage reduction on bosses (You only need the 5.6k for HT anyways).

    So lets make some little assumptions.
    First of all lets bump your total INT to 180 (add one more point of INT or find one more INT from equips).
    Second of all lets project the leveling to 150/160.

    150 = 39 * 18 = 702 MP
    160 = 49 * 18 = 882 MP

    702/12 = 59 Washes
    882/12 = 74 Washes

    You are still a tad off, but still much closer to your goal without having to expend a lot more.
    However if your goal was to reach the 5.6k goal at 135 then you would have to MP wash.

    Let's just assume minimum for safety purposes (better to go over then under).

    You would need 112 washes and already have 34 washes.
    That leaves 78 washes left.
    78*12=936 MP needed.

    Each MP wash point at your current base will give you 9 MP (If you have 110 base).
    You would need to MP wash 104 times (20 levels and 4 extra AP points).

    You would finish MP washing by 132, and have enough MP to wash to your goal.

    This would take a total of 104 from MP washing + 106 to wash out INT + 112 washes for HP = 322 AP resets total.

    If you want to reach your goal at 150/160 however.
    Then you would need 53/38 washes respectively.

    Lvl 150 = 53*12=636 MP needed
    636/9 = 71 MP washes required (14 levels and 1 extra AP point)

    Totaling to 71 from MP washing + 106 to wash out INT + 112 washes for HP = 289 AP resets total.

    Lvl 160 = 38*12=456
    456/9 = 51 MP washes required (10 levels and 1 extra AP point)

    Totaling to 51 from MP washing + 106 to was out INT + 112 washes for HP = 269 AP resets total.
     
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    Desired HP: 10k
    Current Level:81
    Desired Level:120
    Job:White Knight
    Current Base Int:19
    Total Int from Equips:50 (I do not have a Zhelm or Scar helm, scrolled shield, yellow snowboots, int eye and int face gear and I have still some slot left on my overall[5], glove[1] and earring[1])
    Current Base MP:490
    Current HP: 6259 (yes, I've washed before and wanna do it again)
    Additional Information: See above, I wanna have some more int gear when I get the money for it. So if you're up to it, howmuch HP can I get in this spectrum with optimal int gear? OnionF3

    Thanks in advance!!
     
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    Current level: 7
    Desired level: 135/155 w/ int gone
    Job: beginner into bowman
    Current base int: 35
    Int from equips: ~75 at lv 50
    Current base mp: 81
    Current hp 133
     
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    Current Level:131
    Desired Level: (to reach goal) 200
    Job: dk
    Current Base Int: (Not including Items) 50
    Total Int from Equips: (When you're fully geared up, Also tell me if you have any furture items you are expecting to get) 100
    Current Base MP: (Subtract all the MP you get from equips) 686
    Current HP:12174
     
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    Current Level: Character not created
    Desired Level: 155
    Job: Assassin
    Current Base Int: Character not created (I'm thinking around 120)
    Total Int from Equips: ~50 (That should be doable right?)
    Current Base MP: (Subtract all the MP you get from equips)
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    Additional Information: Character has not been created yet, I've saved up 280k NX, and I'm wondering how much more I need to save up.
     
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    Just blood wash till level 500. :)
     
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    So first off, lets see how much HP you'll get normally washing to 175 keeping your 51 base INT.

    Lvl 74-120
    46*16 = 736 Excess MP
    Lvl 120-175
    55*18 = 990 Excess MP

    Current Excess MP
    18*74+111 = 1443

    1831-1443= 388 Current Excess MP
    Total = 388 + 736 + 990 = 2114 Total Excess MP
    This equates to = 2114/16 = 133 Washes

    Calculating the difference in HP
    Min HP at 74 = 22*74+380 = 2008
    2974-2008 = 966 Excess HP

    Min HP at 175 = 22*175+380 = 4230
    4230 + 966 = 5196 Expected Min at 175 (Note this will 100% be higher, but this is the absolute minimum you'll get)
    133 Washes * 16 HP (Min) = 2128
    133 Washes * 18 HP (Avg) = 2394

    You can wash up to:
    5196 + 2128 = 7324 (Min HP gain)
    5196 + 2394 = 7590 (Average HP Gain)

    So you're still a bit far off.
    I'll calculate the Min HP gain just to be on the safer side.

    9500-7324 = 2176 HP needed
    2176/16 = 136 more washes

    MP washing is almost required for this, and you would need to add much more base INT.
    Let's assume you pump up to 100 base INT.
    This will take you 10 levels.
    From 74-84 = You'll gain an additional 20 MP
    From 84-175 = You'll gain an additional 455 MP

    This brings down your total MP needed to (2176-20-455) = 1701 MP or 106 washes.

    To gain this you'll need to MP wash, going from my experience you'll gain (BASE INT/10) -2
    So at 100 Base INT you'll gain 8MP per MP wash.
    So to reach the goal of 1701 you'll need to wash = 1701/8 = 213 times or 42 levels and 3 additional washes.
    Finishing at level 126 (Since you'll need to first add up to 100 Base INT)

    Totalling to 213 for MP washing + 136 for HP washing + 96 to wash down to 4 INT = 445 washes :)
     
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    Current Level: 125
    Desired Level: 155
    Job: bowmaster
    Current Base Int: 51
    Total Int from Equips: 122
    Current Base MP: 2k
    Current HP: 5k
     

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