Maplelegends could retool the HP washing system.

I was asked to make one more thread talking just about HP washing and what could be some possible solutions for it. I'm asking people to read the post before commenting and to try and remain civil even if you don't agree.

For HP washing issues:

There are a number of things that COULD be done to mitigate/address the issue OR resolve it outright.

1) Offer a high level quest that provides a temporary HP buff to allow players the opportunity to attempt end-game content rather than locking them completely out and forcing them to recreate their accounts. This could have a lot of variation/interpretation and it is certainly open to discussion. An example could be something like the following:


At lvl 120, on completion of 4th job, you are able to do a repeatable quest in leafre with the chief. He mentions you are a mighty X at this point and are capable of doing great things now. He would like to help you with this endeavor should you accept it. You do and he prompts you to collect a plethora of items/defeat moderate bosses around maple. This could look similar to what the ellin ring requires; etc. from a number of different mobs on a number of different continents. Additionally or in place of, you must kill a boss from each main continent perhaps. Defeat Manon or Griffey, leviathan, eliza, jr. balrog, dodo/lilynouch, papulatus, headless horseman, kimera etc. There are a lot of bosses that could be included in a number of combinations with etc's. The main point is that the quest is somewhat time-consuming and all-inclusive of the game. The reward could look something like a 4 hour buff giving 1k HP. Could it include a slight stat buff? Sure. Mp for mages? Potentially. The MAIN idea is that someone who was driven enough, could attain this buff before attempting a high level boss like zakum or HT. They couldn't do it all the time, they couldn't do it most of the time. Players who have washed and worked hard for that wouldn't be punished, they wouldn't be required to do this quest for any of their runs. They COULD but it's probably not going to happen. This literally only makes sense for someone who has no other choices to access this content. Instead of starting over, you could spend some time during the week preparing for a zak run with your friends on the weekend. At some point, you'll outgrow this need just by leveling up or washing a little more or monster book ring increase. But you wouldn't be locked out of content that other players your level are participating in. You wouldn't be told to just quit your lvl 100 bowman or nightlord. There would be some avenue of recourse.

2) Decrease the cost of AP resets to 2500 nx, thereby allowing 2 washes from a single vote. The alternative is to raise the nx reward to equal the current 6200 cost for 2 resets. I think that option is worse because it increases the nx vote reward that doesn't necessarily need to be applied to resets, i.e people could turn around and just gach more or get cosmetics/pets with greater ease. That doesn't need to happen and we don't need to dilute the nx cash influx like that.


At first glance that might seem arbitrary but I would argue it is far more arbitrary to keep the original Neckson price of 3100. If you are in the business of resetting stats or washing, you can appreciate how frustrating it is to vote and see 1 AP reset per day you can vote. Having 2 washes/AP resets a day would simply be more user-friendly. You'd feel like you were making more progress each day. Don't underestimate the importance of that statement. A second more minor point is that it's easier for people to calculate the required washes if you can just say, for example, 1 month = 60 washes. It seems pretty minor but not all of us want to sit and calculate a theoretical NL or BM hp goal in conjunction with int gear/base int, normal hp increase from leveling, possible monster book rings, etc. It gets to be a bit much, at it's core the game should just allow players to log on and play, make what progress they can, and not be limited/frustrated by an outdated system. File this under mitigating the issue.



The result of mitigating/resolving the issue using the above would be more players sticking around with the hopes of trying their hand at some exciting content they missed out on years ago. That keeps these players in the pool, interested in progressing and improving their characters.


FWIW, I love the monster ring update. That is one of my favorite updates in the whole game. And it's not enough. Cervantes is a lvl 14x corsair with a tier 10 ring and can't HT until lvl 165+. That's ridiculous.

 

I mean based on what I talked about with cervantes, he can't HT until lvl 165 and even then it's going to be super difficult to not be dispelled/1hit with HB on 100% of the time. He can't easily do HT at 170 without washing at all. He has a tier 10 monster book ring.

 

I can appreciate the point about high lvl content being meant to be truly high level content.

I would argue that having a tier 10 ring is next to impossible for most players. It would take an extraordinary amount of effort for a non-mage to get a T10 ring and that shouldn't be a standard we ask players who don't wash to follow.

Even with his T10 ring, ellin ring, and dep star, he has 5153 HP according him. He isn't going to wash as he is opposed to that game mechanic just on principle. That's his choice and I understand he could adjust to make HT possible much earlier.

 

I was afraid of this.

Yes he is an extreme example and could make it viable to do HT. But he has a T10 ring giving him 1k hp. Most players are simply not going to have that. I have a tier 2 ring with 60 some odd sets and it gives 100hp. I'm not a mage and so that took a reasonable amount of time to get.

This isn't a thread about cervantes and his plight with hp washing. It's a thread about hp washing requirements and how they could be altered in some fashion to help the average player who starts out with no knowledge or funding on a hp-washing dependent character.

 

Nice try.

I didn't just leech but by the time I was 4th job or thereabouts monster cards were released. I went back to heneseys hunting ground and spent several hours trying to finish red snail cards after low lvl card drops were nerfed. I spent an ungodly amount of time in perion trying to get dark stump cards to 5. They just wouldn't drop.

This is all beside the point. Even with a decent ring the hp washing requirements are still pretty noticeable and detrimental if you haven't planned far ahead.

Do you have any opinion on the options I presented?

 

Some classes get their first valuable AOE in 4th job. Shadower for example is not going to have a great time hunting cards with BoT. It's just mediocre in general, requires you be in melee range etc.

I'll admit I would have had a better experience if the cards were out when I was running around places like sleepy, exploring and playing the game. BTW is it true that if I want 5 slime king cards I have to pay 25m? All because I, again, was already past that portion of the game as a player?

Also wasn't the first T10 bishi? Or was he T9 I dont remember.

Regardless, pretty sure a lot of these players had help/bought cards to help them hit it first. Does it really matter who was the single first T10?

 

Also, maybe if your game had more to it people would be willing to grind and play the game. I spent DAYS looking for training partners of ANY kind (anyone who could funnel himes into my meso explosion) when I was 3rd job. Go look at my post from months ago on this forum asking for a training partner. Got 0 responses. Well that's not true, I was told to just leech. :thinking:

Better yet if you don't wanna hear it from me, go ask Digiorno, a chief bandit, how he's doing these days. One of the quickest 3rd jobs in the game and he's struggling to find a training partner too. But I guess these are all unsolvable problems and we are all just wasting our time discussing them.

 

That was pre-nerf cards yea? Let's be honest it would take you longer than 2 weeks at this point in the game. Did anyone help you too?

He can do whatever the hell he wants. I'm not here to get advice for him. I'm using his current stats/ring as a barometer for my argument.

 

I can agree and see the merit in a lot of what you're saying.

However, not everyone has a zhelm, especially by level 50. That requires some planning, doing prequests, and having 15-20m as well as the appropriate HP to survive. So if you did your math starting at 50, and same for dep star, I think your argument needs tweaking.

I think a guide would be great, I'm all for making the game more accessible and understandable for everyone. Whether that involves tweaking things like HP washing or providing a guide to help players navigate the servers content, I'm all for it.