Mage Party Contribution (Meditation)

It might have changed in later patches but when I played MSEA in 2006, it was called Meditation. A LUK buff would allow easier access to elemental staves. I don't know the numbers but it might be OP. The 15 LUK definitely seems OP on NLs since they have a higher multiplier than Shads.

 

I think every change would either be broken and muled or of no consequence. A 15 LUK buff would be absolutely insane. That's nearly the additional benefit of MW30 for NLs and shads. Even the extra avoid there would be useful for pirates. It would probably be muled.

Any matk type buff just makes mages even more powerful and use items like guava useless. I'm fine with 1st/2nd job party skills being pointless/replaced with use items, because they aren't supposed to be used for late game. It's really only useful for early game when money is tight.

 

It would be nice to have a more balanced set of utility between mages and bishops. Currently it just seems like a self-cast unless you're partying with a priest.

What we haven't actually seen is a % damage reduction from a party skill, which could be neat if it were found to function. Go for a peaceful zen state where you take slightly less damage, say 10% at level 20. It may not seem like a lot but even 15% from achilles is crucial for DKs in most bosses, and it would reduce reliance on washing ever so slightly if you're willing to boss with a mage.

 

Like a party buff invincible but for magic attacks? I like the idea...would definitely help the server be more washing optional...and make mages viable in PB.

 

Let's not make mages even stronger

 

I always thought making Seal able to dispel bosses could be a really cool change.
It's far from making Bishops useless, since you can't dispel party members debuffs (or I mean. Do anything else that makes bishops useful), but can still bring SOMETHING to the table and even improve your own class' survivability against attack buffs like CWK's warrior boss, Dunas or Horntail.

 

time for weapon cancel cancel

 

Ooooooo.. Interesting. Maybe seal can cause bosses to fail their spells (including seduce and cancels) at a 10% rate.. somewhat like blind?

 

Let's make mages not dogshit useless except for ult-farming so they actually have a reason to do anything else

 

On pre-heads + three main HT heads, it'd shave a couple of minutes if they fail to weapon cancel. Or when 1/1 fails during mass sed, saving the run.. the bosses failing their spells = fewer KBs = higher overall DPM for the party.

 

utility is sort of a nerf, every second lost doing some utility animation means less time doing damage, if anything what makes mage 'great' compared to bishop is being able to be on offense all the time, in endgame bishops minmax utility in order to do more damage (hello sedmules, goodbye bless, asking ready for res? that's only for buyers, rather acp than dispel, heal is only for mass, etc), of course bishops embrace the utility but only the one that's absolutely essential so we can help more with the timer. What I'm getting at is that I play archmage aswell and I personally wouldn't like to have support abilities because that's what I have my bishop for, I'd prefer a improved dps experience with a quicker spell booster animation, with the ability to swap wands/staffs while catching breath and prob a tiny bit more of power and range on paralyze/CL

 

What's the proposed trade off though, is this a free buff for a class that is already good? The only thing archmages can give up to get this kind of buff is ult damage and I wouldn't take that trade, I would trade ult damage for single target damage but not for utility that can be muled

 

Bishop is the support class of the game and Archmages is the poorly balanced class in MapleStory that got balanced post big bang. So yeah Bishop support altho they got a bit too much dmg with Genesis but I could give you a piece of my mind on how I would crazily spice up the jobs to be better.

Archmages are good at a job: map cleaning and farming; because of this they can't be good at any other department (kinda like NL is good at 1vs1 but shit at mobbing) that's why post big bang they kinda gave to most jobs a map cleaning skill with a long cooldown (from 45 secs to 60 secs) and giving these skills benefits while on cooldown (both meteor and blizzard post big bang have a 60% chance of raining an ice strike or a meteorite to a mob you are attacking for extra dps). That would be a funny balance in ML, ok make genesis, meteor, and blizzard get this cooldown and make the mages more like a warrior-like class, more balanced in bossing dmg and mobbing damage with some unique touches, like well bishop being the support class, fire poison the damage overtime class and i/l the slowing down class mixed damage and support. I don't think this should be the move since, well this is a nostalgic server.

If I would buff meditation I would yolo it and make it 30 m.att and -20% mp usage for the team and yourself. Altho well I would like more the post big bang approach of better boss damage and screw the op map cleaning (I know F/P is good DPM on PB but only cos everyone else does literally half damage)
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what if make it stack on top of your other matk pot?

 

I think blanket buff to matk is not needed, it just makes ults stronger. A party-buff concentrate for less mp usage is kind of interesting though (and not that useful, but matches first job utility).

 

I actually agree with you fully in concept Vowels. It's just that these sort of changes (im assuming) are harder to implement to a point where eventho I'm always looking into it, I still dont think I can responsibly say "hey, these are the skill tweaks we need for AMs". However, I'd actually be very much down to try and document a list of possible tweaks or changes to the class together (with context, sources and class comparisons). Id love to get the opinions of others who care for the class, and I think it could help us to have a formal and collected suggestion made sometime down the line.

As for the Seal proposition - this is really just a change I think is minor enough to casually bring up, but could still bring something to the table. However for sure if it means trading something off, i wouldnt want it either.