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Thoughts on Bishops in PB

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Thuglifer, Dec 26, 2022.

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    Something along the lines of combo plays, how bout a crazy idea whereby Bahamut + AR = a % chance to apply a short debuff (blind?) ranging from 10s or so, refreshing timer on subsequent AR on body phase. Something similar to how mages summon + fire/ice demon combo applies to mobs. With how musical notes happen so frequently, the margin for muling bishops is highly risky should one take the chance.

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    You would be surprised how hard it is to die as a mage during body.

    that being said having a “set it and forget it” skill like Bahamut be part of a “combo” doesn’t feel very combo-y to me, as Bahamut would be active regardless and the combo would essentially come down to just… landing AR on a target.
     
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    With how short of a range bahamut and mage summons has, it would definitely be way up close and personal infront of pb than all ranged jobs which is still well within musical notes range. This would definitely require skilled bishops and even higher ones for said debuffs upkeep time of merely 10s which dissipates during DR's 20s duration.
     
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    The issue is that Bishops already do this and do fine dpm. I’m not sure there’s a reason to buff actions that they’re already doing (again at very little risk)
     
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    If you're talking bout mini beans + pb body DPM, it's somewhat subjectively in the ok range, take beans away (on runs with already 2-3 archmages mains controlling spawns) it'd be significantly lower in specifically body dpm. Which is the highest priority in clearing this boss. While clearing mini beans with the upmost efficiency would almost always drive for a positive dpm for DPS classes that should hold a strong weightage in clears, we shouldn't neglect bishops downtime inbetween spawns and allow for more variety of plays rather than spamming AR only.
    This would give an alternative to bishops. The proposed ideology is meant as a side bonus or fun play if you would call it which would add on more support feels as to what the class skills can excel in. Now, take note that the type of debuffs aren't at a fixed point yet, which could come in some form or another or even a nerfed version of other job's debuff skills. With say some realistic figure or mechanic to drive disparity, be it dpm differences or supportive roles in using said combos and not.

    On the side-note, maybe said combos can be applicable to statue phases only. Which may well prove useful on Right Bird. But touching statues with debuffs, I'm on the fence for this just cause of how it's so easily able to have the upkeep time of said debuff.
     
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    Sorry could you elaborate what variety in plays this change would bring?
    Also for reference high end bishops can already pull 4m+ dpm on body. Even with mini bean damage factored in (which is much much smaller than you think) that still is significant dpm
     
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    High end as a bsp main, 4m is perfectly fine imo, let alone mid gear tiered ones. So, you're saying bishops mains should not have such dpm or the chance to excel a little more?
     
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    No I’m just questioning the need for a “free” status effect application for doing exactly what Bishops are already doing.
     

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