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New 4th Job Skill for NLs

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by beegoratto, Jul 13, 2023.

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    u bring up an excellent point
    however i think we can simply solve this issue with more double stab buffs
     
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    only can use it with subis and claw 50- wa kekw
     
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    This is not why I made a Night Lord. I made a Night Lord to play a Night Lord. Not a modded class that does not resemble what a Night Lord is meant to originally be. Therefore I strongly disagree.
     
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    Shadowers are currently changed enough that their gameplay is different than what it was originally. Instead of nate stepping they are forced to play afk simulator in high wdef fights like toad. I think everyone should be on the same footing as our Shadower brethren and we should all feel the joy of playing a ruined class.
     
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    Shadower buffs were necessary, the only drastic change was making it so Assassinate can be casted without Dark Sight. It was very necessary to ensure that people with high ping will not suffer from DPS losses merely because of their geographical location. While it is not the way Assassinate was originally meant to operate the concept of Dark Sight has still remained.

    Additionally, I don't think a single Shadower ever complained about that change. As for what you are purposing for Night Lords, I can tell you as a Night Lord main that if it was ever implemented, I will not only complain a lot but quit the class I played on since 2006 entirely and move on to my Corsair instead.

    Also it is not only me who disagree, it is the majority of people as you can see.

    I think NLs are in a perfectly fine spot and no adjustments are needed for 4th job specifically.
     
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    Let’s hear some testimony from some Shadowers.
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    maybe GurkGurk would be happy to add his input on the state of Shadowers as well, but I’ve heard nothing but negative feedback to the change.

    NLs are not in a fine spot, they are in desperate need of buffs because they are falling farther and farther behind corsairs with each passing day. Even you yourself said you would reroll to Corsair.

    Also the disagree ratio has nothing to do with the viability of a suggestion. Suggestions have been accepted in the past with an overwhelming amount of disagrees.
     
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    #revertIED

    The way shad is played now is markedly different from how they originally were back in GMS. Granted, part of that is because their skills were so bad that they had to chain together multiple skills out of necessity. But with all attention diverted to assassinate, they're now just another soulless one button class, which is sad to see and not the direction I would have liked to see shads go in.
    moo.PNG
     
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    I dont feel any diff in shad gameplay .
    Only diff is
    • nate no longer slow macro att that depand on DS
    • nate got more controll and saves you from unwanted dash into bosses body
    I dont get whats those shads complains tbh, as a shad that wait long time for some buffs...
    Both NLs and shads seems to be in a realy nice place for me and i dont like the class makeover you bring here SlimeSweat2

    Edit : i will love to hear what so lifechange about the changes for shads , cus all skills remain the same for cleaves and nate single target got buff, is realy move nate from macro to independent skill change your game play as shad ?
     
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    Ok non meme answer really quick but from what I understand, the two biggest complaints I’ve seen is that Shads are now a one button class like everyone else and they’re more afk now. Whereas things like natestep were more interesting gameplay before, now you’re better off just spamming nate. On top of this, the IED change means that optimal Shad gameplay in things like toad consist of just standing there for big chunks of time doing nothing but letting nate change, which again is uninteresting gameplay.

    I don’t actually play Shad but that’s what I understand the problem to be from talking to other Shad mains.

    Anyways back to shitposting, I think NLs need a buff.
     
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    macro with 1 skill as opposed to macro with 2 skills, wow such gameplay change shads ruined

    this is now officially a shadower thread. pls give assassinate BETTER RANGE, right now its basically the same range as double stab........ in fact it is probably the 4th job bossing skill with the single worst range out of any job. why?
     
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    Sku gets it. I agree, let us discuss this matter of shadowers further
     
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    Wait I thought double stab was buffed for QoL
     
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    macro with 2 skills looks more pretty on my screen ^__^

    also, I believe savage blow + bstep was better than assassinate back in the old days of GMS just because it was so terrible so assassinate was basically only used during boss downtime. arguably went from three skills to one skill for most bosses.
    technically barrage has assassinate beat for worst frontal range, but only by a little.

    give more range so we can nate dance.
     
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    wow, imagine the amount of copium u needed to be playing og shad in GMS...... literally 1/4 the dmg of NL for 3x the effort

    btw this confirms that what we need is SAVAGE BLOW buffs. soblet will be happy
     
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    clearly the problem here is NLs should take more effort :^)
     
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    imo there almost no class with effort in the game except sairs and dks ...
     
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    my man really out here dissing HT bishops like that
     
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    said almost only cus of sed bishs scenario cus in every other scenario its a mule
     
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    back in days in gms nate 30 was a rare sb (only dropped from GPQ) and depending on the "continent" few guilds did, so sb > nate 20
     

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