Red Katana Versus Stonetooth Sword (Andyman99999)

But I've gotten SI on this server and it took canceled my booster. At least, my booster no longer showed up. This happened back when I was a fighter. I know in GMS it's suppose to stack with booster.

 

The math is already done for you guys. Using pots breaks the rule of thumb. For example, GothicLolita (also a Crusader had a higher attack range with a 1h Sparta) then I had with my 110 att stonetooth sword. Her sword had 121 attack + she had wgs (probably 8 attack), a 1 attack pac (8 dex) and a shield (not sure how much attack was on the shield). She has about 10 more base dex then me and was around 2 lvls above me (breaks the strength difference). The point is, even though she had around 150 range on me, I suggested we both use a stopper so I could prove my point. Since the Stonetooth sword and 1h Sparta have the same attack speed, the person with the highest dps would be the winner. My stonetooth sword (only 110 attack mind you), + that stopper had given me around 100 more range then what she had. I had no extra weapon attack except for the stopper. I used to have a 107 attack red katana and a 6 attack shield and I traded it over for this stonetooth sword. Stonetooth swords offer pretty much the same amount of damage and are somewhat cheaper to make compared to making a separate sword and shield combo. Just look at the math above. I don't even have to have the same amount of attack speed to beat a red katana. All I need is a little over 10% on my range to beat a red katana. I'm not bashing on it, in fact it's my favorite sword in the game. I would go with it end-game but it's too expensive to build that and a shield compared to just a stonetooth sword. Not only that, if you consider beginning 4th job, how much easier is it to use brandish to help with the arms on zakum. A lot easier compared to using brandish with a red katana. Especially since you're most likely not going to have stance very high.

 

They're about the same according to my Math. This is comparing it to a fast 5 sword using booster (turns into faster 3).

 

The multiplier is showing us roughly how much more attack a 2h sword has to a 1h sword at the same attack. This means:

2h Swords by Default have 12.5% more damage with the same amount of attack on them (rough estimate according to the people). I am NOT pulling this number out of my ass. You do 4.5 and you divide it by 4 because we're trying to figure out how much more of a % in damage a 2h sword does over a 1h sword. See a math problem right there:

2h
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1h

Use your heads people!
2h/1h
^ Here it is again
4.5/4 (Shown from a few lines above!)

What does it equal? 1.125 This means for ever 1 point of attack damage you have on a 2h sword is the same thing as 1.125 attack damage on a 1h sword.

This means to get a 1h sword to have around the same range as a 2h sword @ 100 attack you would need a 12.5 attack shield because the difference is 12.5%. Because of attack speed, you wouldn't need the same range to out damage it (normally), but because I used MATH to find out how much damage a Red Katana has compared to a Fast 5 sword (9.5% more) we can see how much attack a red katana has if it were a fast 5 sword.
Not to redo my Math yet again. It's only 9.5% because of the fact 690 ms / 630 ms = 1.0952380952380952380952380952381%. This is because it the slower sword swings at 109.522...% speed of the faster sword. Aka 9.522...% slower... You can also say the Red Katana swings about 9.5% times faster then a fast 5 sword.
Restating again: the Red Katana gains roughly 9.5 attack for every 100 attack if you compared it to a fast 5 sword. That means @ 228 attack the red katana would be dealing roughly the same as a 249.66 attack 1H fast 5 Sword aka The Dragon Carabella or a 1H Sparta (Not possible on this server [would be possible by chaosing a pac and getting extremely lucky]).
The stonetooth sword has a higher % when converting to a 1h sword because attacks scales differently on it which was the 12.5% difference on it [see the long ass bold print.]

 

Did you not read my post? + You rounded up. Does he have all perfect gear as said in my Math though? I did not count Speed Infusion because of the fact it's a party buff. I only mentioned it's why the stonetooth would beat a red katana with less attack.

 

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98 Attack Stonetooth Sword + 9 Attack Gloves ^ 107 Attack
Attack Range: 1667 ~ 2973
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98 Attack 1H Sparta + 9 Attack Gloves^ 107 Attack
Attack Range: 1467 ~ 2603

2,973/2,603 = 1.1421436803688052247406838263542%
2,320/2,035 = 1.1400491400491400491400491400491%
1667/1467 = 1.1363326516700749829584185412406%
Above #
Mid #
Bottom #

Added them all together to get: 3.4185254720880202568391515076439 (Divide by three)
1.1395084906960067522797171692146%
Move the decimal place over to the right twice... My Figures come out to be that the 2h to 1h comparison is: 113.95% @ 107 Attack.

@ 107 Attack a 2h sword has 13.9% more range then a 1h sword. Since I used a Stonetooth Sword, the Stonetooth Sword is literally 13.9% better (Both are fast 5).

I wasted like 2 mil on these swords so some thanks would be appreciated for showing you guys the Math.

 

Stonetooth Sword + Onyx Apple > With the said equips over any other sword in the game. I literally proved it with the shit I just bought in the fm like 5 minutes ago. I bought the St from LuckyCharms if you don't want to believe me. her shop is in fm 8. Of course, this is saying you're level 200.

 

Rk + Perfect Shield is not better then a Stonetooth Sword. The Red Katana has a lower multiplier when converting it to a fast 5 1h sword (9.5%). The St sword is already fast 5, so all you have to do is multiply the total attack of all of (your equipment + pots) by 12.5%. This is why the Stonetooth Sword is the best in the game. I mistyped that last part about saying the Red Katana is the best sword in the game. It would be the best 1H sword in the game. It could only be the best before potting I believe (even then it might go to the Carabella). Which means the Red Katana would only be the best for trash mobs since it's the fastest. The multiplier is only 9.5% 9.6% if you round up when converting it to a fast 5 sword. Higher multiplier wins in this case. As for end game, these three swords basically even out at the end with said equips.

 

No I mistyped there. You need to convert every weapon to the same speed and weapon type in order to find out which one would win. I mistyped that part. I mean the RK would be the best 1h sword since it's getting the 9.5 Attack increase every 100 attack when compared to a 1h fast 5 sword. The Stonetooth Sword gets an even larger boost when converting to a 1h fast 5 sword (12.5 Attack increase every 100 attack when compared to a 1h fast 5 sword).

 

You would have to be really stupid to not consider 30-40 strength. I'm saying that those exact equips which only gives the 1h sword user 14 extra strength from the shield. Do you really think that 14 strength is going to outmatch 2 extra attack with that much strength already? It's over 1.1k... I don't think you know how to math do you? We were talking about Damage over an extended period of time, not just bigfoot. We're talking about which one would do more damage. I would also like to mention that I mentioned it at the bottom of my thread. I said something about the 14 extra strength from the shield (Don't count the Strength from the Red Katana because the Stonetooth sword will have the exact amount of strength added to it). Not sure where you're getting 30-40 extra strength is coming from. Maybe a different set of equipment, but that's about it. The cape was unscrolled in the example so there's that...

 

Speed infusion if you want to match it then. But I do recall it not stacking with booster back when I was around 50ish. Then again, I don't think I tried to reuse booster after getting SI back when I was training @ FoG.

 

St = Cheaper Build. Onyx Apples would make it easier for a ST to beat a RK.
I could convert every weapon to a fast 5 weapon if I really wanted to (waste of time imo) but I will show you this.
Red Katana: 9.5% Attack roughly when compared to a Fast 5 (1h sword) 100 attack RK = 109.5 Attack Fast (5) 1H Sword/200 Total real Attack (before converting) is the same as a 219 Attack 1h fast 5 Sword/I hope you get the idea here
Stonetooth Sword: 12.5% Roughly when compared to a Fast 5 (1h sword) 100 Att ST = 112.5 Attack Fast (5) 1H Sword/200 Total real Attack (before converting) is the same as a 225 Attack 1h fast 5 Sword/I hope you get the idea here
I refuse to do the math a third time here. It's shown above and I explained it in the comments.

 

Yeah it was difficult to tell that I only had SI once. It was difficult to tell if SI even did anything. This was a couple month ago so there's that. Not sure why it's +4 to speed when it's suppose to only be +3. Is this was SI did in the old days? I just recall it ever doing +1. Did not use SI in my formula. If it truly is +4 in speed, then that would make the highest 2h sword swing at the fastest speed faster (2). This would make the best sword in the game and the dragon Claymore @ 110 attack (145 fully scrolled) with Speed Infusion. No I didn't consider SI because it's a party buff and I was using solo skills (SE would have been a headache). Now that I do know SI, I can truthfully say 2h > 1h if you can manage to find a Bucc somewhere. Not only that, you need to convert your 2h sword to a 1h sword. It's very easy to do, add up all your attack (Sword + gloves + cape + heartstopper)(12.5%). This will give you a rough estimate of how much total attack you would need with a 1H sword to out damage your 2h sword since attack speed literally would not matter (most swords would literally be faster [2] with Speed Infusion according to Sam_Vosh).

 

Silly post kind of. In fact I already know how. Don't stopper. Don't have a lot of extra weapon attack other then your sword and shield. Since more attack would affect the stonetooth more (12.5% increase in range roughly for every 100 watt you have) over the 1h Sparta and Dragon Carabella. Since they all have the same attack speed [fast 5], you can't use that as a benefit. It just means 100 att stonetooth sword you would need a 110 att claymore and 2.5 att shield (lol not possible) to have the about to have the same range. Don't wear wgs, don't pot, and don't have a pac on. Oh sorry you said beat, just equip a 10 attack shield and you'll easily beat the stonetooth sword. At lower levels, the difference between the 1h sword and 2h swords are smaller. I have to go to work. I'm not sure when I'll be back but if you pm in game in about 9 hours from now, I'll probably respond.