boost HP from scrolls

even if this was possible, people would still rather have real gear with real stats than hp gear. you would still be playing a crippled character if you didn't wash.

 

+1 from me.
Would personally probably only use it for my hp marksman, but I agree, those hp scrolls are so useless.
Even when you compare them to weapon att scrolls.
Shield for atk 60 gives 2 watt (and 1 str), which equals to about 14/15 luk (at relatively higher levels (thiefs)).
The hp scrolls as you indicated give in this example +15 maxHp.

This would mean that if you landed a atk scroll you would gain about 14/15 ap points, while if you hitted the hp scroll (avg hp gain is 16 (I think), if you put a point into hp) you would gain about 1 ap point.

Of course using atk scrolls for the example is not really fair, but even if you look at other scrolls most of the times you recieve 2 ap points, while hp scrolls always only give about 1 (equal value).

 

HP washing in itself is a major undertaking and it's often considered best to start it at a very early level. However, for those who feel it's too much effort and yet now reach the end game. Paying it with HP scrolls instead of good gear I think would be a feasable compromise. It is not like you need those HP gear all the time. But to have HP scrolls give more and allow for people to HT just with lesser gear I approve.

To me it feels it hits two birds with 1 stone. Allowing people to HT, and making HP scrolls useful.

 

This is a pretty good idea, honestly. Also, as far as I know, it should be pretty easy to change the values. +1

 

Lower levels with good scrolled gear always have an advantage. I to be honest see more advantage in a 10atk wg then in 10k extra hp...

 

I think this is a good idea. If you wash, you should want scrolls that target your main attribute. If you don't, then you should want scrolls that target HP/MP. Either way shouldn't be better or worse than the other.

Personally, I've thought that Defense scrolls should be made more useful, too. Defense is such a worthless stat because your level determines the damage you take far more so than the defense you have. Your defense should have a direct relationship to the level monsters you are fighting. If you don't have enough defense, the monsters should be able to do intensive damage to you - enough to make you need Defense (either by level appropriate equips or Defense scrolls). If the game becomes all about doing the most damage, then the game is linear in its focus.

 

loool what did i just read

 

Im not sure you understand the comfort concept of washing.
The only thing you lose from washing is time, since you have to wait on votes to fund your washing. In the end you'll have all your ap in the right place and damage scrolled gear.
Hp washing will always be better.

And how much hp do you expect scrolls to give.
Even a non washed 15x nl will barely got 3.8k-4k hp flat which is not enough to ht. (5.6k)

Assuming you have hat, top, both, Cape, gloves, eye, earring, to scroll for hp do you expect to get 1.6k-1.8k total? That's about 250 hp per gear.

You'd be losing so much damage it won't be worth it. And if you expect to only have 2-3 hp gears 600-900hp per gear is overly op.

When you hp wash you are rewarded with more health at the cost of time and damage early on. It is and always will be the best way. Or you could wait til 19x when you have enough flat hp purely by leveling.

 

Don't you think there could be a middle ground between op 600-900 hp gear and lacking 250 hp gear? Washing is obviously better in the long run but what's wrong with allowing people that didn't wash to be able to experience boss runs?

 

Just bloodwash a BM/MM theyre only there for SE anyways

 

It's never too late to wash, adding int at a low level and remembering to wear decent ints is so easy to do.

People who are complaining about this now (I highly doubt) have not reached a point where they can boss but don't have the hp for it in regards to level.

It is really easy to scavenge a few int gears with the extremely low cost of scrolls and even adding base int for the remainder of the levels will help.

I don't see why that's so hard to do.

If you are essentially just missing 250hp then you don't need hp gear. You just have to be extremely diligent in the way you move around and boss. Hb will solve a lot of problems that you may consider and the base hp required for bosses such as ht is just a luxury in case of a dispell that removes hb.

A prime example would be tommy(babo) who at his level hted regularly but had a little lower hp than required at the time to survive. However dks always kept up hb and the necessity of reaching the min hp was averted.

All hp washing is, is a luxury for players to not have to worry about dispells and such, and it's not expensive to do so. Int gears can easily be shared among players, and ap resets come on the daily if you vote daily.

It isn't like gms where you have to pay for it so I don't see why such things need to be implemented. Legends is a nice community and players often share their int gear to help others grow strong and make the bossing raids much faster.

 

If you play casually, you won't be at the level to be useful in bosses.

It's not a waste, it's an investment.

How early are we talking about? If it's below 13x, no one would really take you. You have no damage anyways with low level skills.

Then why dont you blood wash, every point can effectively give 20-24hp for ranged, and 50+ for melee

There's a lot of useless scrolls, glove dex, all def scrolls, mdef scrolls, weapons for accuracy. Are you asking to buff them all?

HP washing is a luxury, it allows players to boss at earlier levels at the cost of spending more NX and time to prepare ints and levels.
It also forces players to be excessively weaker before they are fully washed and can compete with others, but a well worth it.

Mods can also remove a lot of other aspects, it doesn't make it any more useless.

 

I don't really think that this suggestion only depends on wether it's useful for bossing/endgame stuff. It might just be fun for low level players who find these scrolls to have them do something that's actually useful.

 

This isnt useless.