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Add the almighty Maroon Mop into the game

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Oahu, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. Oahu
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    I love playing Beginners. There is something so satisfying to me about achieving high levels with the Beginner class. However, I am 95% against any form of leeching to obtain those levels (the other 5% being party quests). To me, being a Beginner requires lots of hard work and dedication, and that is where the Maroon Mop comes into play. I would love to see the Maroon Mop be obtainable through something like Gachapon or an additional Eraser quest.

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    Maroon Mop Requirements/Stats:

    Beginner class, Level 36 Polearm, 130 STR

    220 Weapon Attack
    Slower Speed

    Now, initially, this weapon sounds pretty overpowered to the average player. At the level you can start using it, 36, you can out-damage a lot of classes. If I remember correctly, I was able to hit 2500+ at 36 on other servers. However, all classes will outpace the Maroon Mop by 60-70, especially by Third Job skills. You have to remember as well that Beginners have a ridiculous range on top of this. It would be something like 200-2500+, so we wouldn't be hitting these high numbers consistently.

    With the Maroon Mop being available to MapleLegends, it would open up additional perks to playing the Beginner class, make grinding and questing much easier for solo play, and I wouldn't be put down constantly doing things like Ludibrium Party Quest for not having a job. Imagine their faces when a Beginner smacks a 2k+ hit!

    Let me know how possible this is and/or what complications would arise if added, if any.
     
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    If the item even is added to the game, it needs to be a lv 70 item at least....
     
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    Can I ask why a level 70 requirement, to you, would be more viable? At that rate, there would be only 6 Beginners currently who could even wield the mop.
     
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    Good times.. with Shanghai and Thailand now in our server MapleF3

    I still don't think I want add this item though. Not with the level 36 requirement at least.
     
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    I was actually really surprised to see that the Maroon Mop was such a hot topic for debate. All of the points brought up in that thread are extremely valid. I didn't consider other Beginner weapons being worthless comparatively. I think it's important to understand that with the Maroon Mop, you would be sacrificing attack speed for damage, as with most slower weapons. As you level up more and start reaching the 50s and 60s, you gain access to polearms (snowboards and surfboards) that have progressively faster attack speeds, up to the Sky Ski at 95, which has an attack speed of fast.

    With that being said, why not poll a new level requirement, or at least try to get a consensus on where the new level requirement should land? Perhaps even changing the weapon attack if 220 is too much? I understand some players would want it as vanilla as possible, however I am in agreement with the fact that it does break up equipment progression too much.
     
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    Because you guys who play beginners and want to be special snowflakes ask for too much. The whole point of playing a perma-beginner is to restrict yourself for extra challenge. It is not a viable class by any means compared to warrior, magician, bowman, rogue, or pirate, nor is it supposed to be. Beginners are supposed to be weak, fragile, and pretty much pointless anyway. So why hand them a retardedly broken item vastly superior to anything else at level 36?

    If at any point a beginner is outdamaging another real class, we have done something wrong.
     
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    Greetings everyone, I think I should be one to say something in this thread!
    Okay, so, this has been in question since the dawn of Legends.
    As someone who reached level 70 on a Beginner without leeching or even party questing,
    As someone who's played this server for 2 years, maining a Beginner, I would say I honestly don't care if it's added or not.
    I mean, it's kinda hype, kinda cool to deal decent damage, I'm also a big fan of slow and heavy hits, as well as a very big fan of Pole Arms.
    On the other side, I've spent lots and lots of time and mesos scrolling insane weapons for Beginners, as well as leveling up to 70 without using this Mop, which would make Beginners way easier. I have thousands of hours on this character. I also know many Beginners who are against it.
     
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    I made a perm beginner on this server (although i didnt get very far yet) specifically because Legends didnt have the maroon mop. I feel like the maroon mop is so OP that it makes any other weapon not viable which is a reason I liked beginners in the first place, their weapon choices :p!
     
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    fite me I'll outdamage you at 20 with Tuna. <3
     
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    I am asking for one item to be added to MapleLegends. I am also asking for it to be tweaked to have it not be broken.
    To add to your point about out-damaging "another real class", I can achieve that already with the level 20 Frozen tuna.
     
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    I honestly think Tuna is enough, it also looks prettier. :3
     
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    The tuna argument is BS because at least warriors get powerstrike. So no, at level 20, you shouldn't be outdamaging any other class that is using their skills. I don't know why you'd assume I am talking about regular attacks only. As a beginner, any tricks you might be able to pull, anyone else can also do.

    Also, the WZ invincible hat is one single item as well. But let's not assume just because we are only talking about one item, things are fine.

    If you want the item to be tweaked to not be broken? Well tweak it so the level required is higher. Is it that hard to understand?
     
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    I am not trying to argue with you here. I have typed out my thoughts and opinions on the matter, and you have typed yours. I am 100% up for civil discussion, but when the civility begins to dissolve, I am less inclined to engage. I appreciate your thoughts and opinions on the matter.
     
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    Making an argument is not the same thing as getting into an argument with someone.
     
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    LionheartLionheart I would like to personally thank you. Your signature, in all of its pettiness, caused the biggest laughing fit I have had in a very long time. Thank you for going out of your way to indirectly prove your point to me.
     
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    Well I don't know if you are being sincere or "civil", but it was high time for a new avatar and new signature anyway. I notice when I say something like "your argument" or "their argument" some people take it personally and they think I'm passive-aggressively telling them that they are getting into some sort of childish, angry fight with me.

    You're welcome. Have fun. This sig will probably be here for like a year now.
     
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    How about making it into a beginner's quest item, untradeable and cannot be scrolled, every beginner can only have one of it after accepting the quest at lvl 36? It would not be much OP anymore as if it is unscrollable, and slower (9) attack speed?

    Please reconsider to add this item in game.
    If not, how about adding this sake bottle, as is also another beginners equipment?

    I feel that if it is untradeable and unscrollable and only obtainable once via a quest. None of these items will be OP. Maybe we can set the quest lvl higher?
     
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