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Allow Changing Party Quest Captain, and Other APQ Gripes

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Taima, Feb 23, 2024.

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    When it comes to this suggestion, I'm specifically talking about Amorian Challenge (APQ) since I don't have much experience with expedition content. Referring to the party quest captain feature added in November 2023 Balance Changes:

    This feature is great in theory, and much better than an instant PQ wipe when the leader disconnects. For those that didn't read that particular balance patch notes post, it's really confusing, whether or not they were made the party quest captain. What's wrong with the party quest captain feature?

    * Changing the party leader does not change the party quest captain
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    Only a player made PQ captain by random chance may progress the PQ
    * New players are likely to change the party leader expecting the problem to be solved, not understanding the PQ captain feature (perhaps not even noticing the blue text)
    * Well-meaning players that don't know about PQ captain ask to be made leader, and are just as confused when they can't progress the PQ
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    Other PQs don't use this feature, so new players don't get to learn about it until APQ

    I'm all for a trial by fire where a player is made to lead a party quest when they hadn't considered it before. This is how players learn. But the current feature is just not doing it and has lead to confusion every time it's kicked in for my APQ parties. Some perfectly seasoned APQers really don't understand the feature still, and are confused when they're made party lead but can't talk to Amos still. It's confusing that we can't just pass the party lead! That works in every other PQ! :mad:

    To keep the command consistent with other similar commands added in 2021 (/partyaccept or /paccept, /partydecline or /pdecline) I suggest the following:

    1) Allow PQ captain to be switched using a command like /partycaptain [player] or /pcaptain [player].

    2) Or, simply tie the PQ captain feature to the current party leader so that it dynamically switches as the party lead changes.

    3) Or, remove PQ captain entirely and integrate its features into the regular party leader role.

    4) Integrate PQ captain fully into other PQs after working out the above issues. It's a great feature for keeping a PQ going should the party lead d/c in a map with no other party members present.

    It's tough to know how to word this suggestion since I'm honestly not sure why PQ captain exists, and isn't just integrated into party leader, simply allowing party lead to swap to a party member in a separate map. Maybe there are future plans for the feature alongside other PQ reworks, or deeper technical reasons why a separate PQ captain feature works for APQ and dynamically switching party leader doesn't. ninjamush

    Other Gripes with APQ:

    Attack Input Delay

    The way movement and attacks work in the bonus stage is clearly off. A delay sometimes occurs before attack inputs are registered, especially directly after changing directions or crouching down. It's very frustrating since the bonus rewards are determined by manually attacking boxes. During some runs I've missed 2~4 boxes due to this attack input delay. This does not occur outside of the bonus stage, and I have no problems with input delay in the rest of the game. I can provide video of myself attacking inside and outside the bonus if it would help. Can this be fixed? It's legitimately very frustrating to deal with. :bag:

    Does this have anything to do with the way movement and skill use is altered specifically for the bonus stage? Have any other players experienced the same attack input delay? Is this Wine-specific somehow?

    Jumping Still Disables PQ Progression

    Right at the stage where Geist Balrog is summoned, the party leader can't start the stage if a player is jumping. It's a small annoyance, and enables accidental or purposeful PQ griefing. I'm not sure if this applies to any other stages. Fix plox? :cool:

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    Last edited: Feb 23, 2024
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