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Accepted & Implemented Block all trades/Invites after obtaining yellow lines

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  1. Subterlabor
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    If someone or a gm is able to test to confirm this that'd be great, otherwise suggestion as written.

    Allegedly spamming trade/invites will block out the warning notice when obtaining Ws/Cs, I suggest all "notices" except this are blocked for 1-2 minutes after obtaining a yellow line.

    The same guy ripped off my guildy buying a white scroll for 80m. It would also be nice if the notice for white scroll/chaos scrolls had some kind of information stating "this item can be traded for MP5, which sells for roughly xx" or "white scrolls/chaos scrolls are sold for generally 93 coins" since this is the largely accepted standard. Atleast a rough cost telling people "hey this isn't worth 13-80m" would do a big help to new players.

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    Also thank you NightzNightz for being a decent human being
     
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    What surprises me is how gullible people still are... Like, I personally thought "scamming" and things like low balling got much more mainstream nowadays to point where if I received a rare item and *IMMEDIATELY* people message me something rings in my head where it may not be legit, or like... if people mass message me like this maybe my item is more valuable than they claim to be. Like, what's the rush selling the item on the spot? If people immediately message me like, surely the item is popular so I look into it more first. I am going assume the biggest attraction is just getting that starting Mesos which makes you immediately want sell it, but IMO this is a seller problem; its their problem they rush sell it without doing research, and it is a beginner trap. Do that mean I support people doing this and making beginners have a shitty experience (and possible bad impression of the community)? No, I do not -- but I disagree that its called "scamming" because you still got what the deal was, which means its not a scam.

    That said it is true the notification for notes and trades are around the same area, so its possible trades and whatnot do block the notes. I am going see if its possible to do something neat such as completely blocking trades until the person have read the note and closed it, but right now we are absolutely stomped with work, so won't promise that 1) its possible and 2) If we got time to implement such thing.
     
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    Thank you for looking into it :heart:
     
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    Being scammed is part of Maple experience. But yah, putting aside willing buyer willing seller, spamming trade request or doing any method of preventing the pop-up from showing is such an obvious sign they are trying to scam. it's literally trying to prevent (automated) GMs from doing their job, which is not a gray area. If you're intentionally trading 3+ times in 5 seconds or whatever right after people get yellow line, it's deliberate obstruction of the system.
     
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    I think also think your take falls under common sense and at the same time most of this server are well-meaning people, which places excessive trust on random people.

    One scumbag can easily take advantage of it using loose ToS, mixing in his strategy of blocking the notice (how this isn't against ToS I don't know) and it becomes a very quick moment where someone can get unknowingly scammed.
     
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    Because trading is part of the game, and also a person can only do 1 trade before it overwrite the other. If 1 trade request is enough to block the note system its a problem with the system and not the person pushing the trade request.
     
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    the person mentioned that the buyer BL them, so they might be doing a mix of BL request, PT request, trade request, and anything else im not thinking of
     
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    Ign is in the OP, still kindof readable.
     
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    What a narrow and hindsighted perspective. Instead of putting the onus on the established, greedy players to do better, why is your first response to belittle people for being gullible?

    80m doesn't seem like a scam in the perspective of a new player who has no understanding of the value of meso or their items. Most new players don't start this game thinking they'll be playing for much longer than a month. I know I didn't, so in that context, I couldn't have cared less what I did with a white scroll or chaos scroll. Doesn't make the situation any less bad, and I'd much rather move towards a direction or community that normalizes punishing greed.

    Let us show IGNs and call out shitheads.
     
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    How is someone immediately selling their items for the first offer they get any less greedy? Be patient and do research. I get its overwhelming to get spam bombed as soon you get a <rare> item, but that doesn't mean you suddenly have to throw it away by the first offer you get. I took note about the note issue (pun not intended), but again, lowballing people is NOT a scam. The person ACCEPTS the offer and the person GETS what the offer was, which is NOT what a scam is. All we can do is help guide the user to reduce the "problem", but its still up to the person that has obtained the item to listen to the advice or not.
     
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    The change about the notice I think wouldn’t be bad, BUT same opinion here as on the last similar thread:

    Since when is checking prices (both ingame and irl) not self-evident anymore? It is not too much to ask for people to check prices before selling. What happened here is extremely trashy from the buyer, but in the end it’s the person who got the ws who by pressing ‘OK’ agreed to the offer, making it a “fair” trade in terms of mutual agreement.

    Good solution in my eyes: Blacklist for the buyer, a lesson learned for the seller.

    Please more responsibility on the players and less holding hands.
     
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    this thread is about blocking trade requests so the new players actually get to see the notification that pops up when they get WS/CS for the first time. If the buyer is spamming in order to prevent the automated mods from working, they're purposefully trying to break the system in place.
     
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    But even without notice you’re not suddenly forced to accept a trade.
     
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    again, if you want to argue its not necessary, its a different issue altogether. If the buyer is not trying to scam, and is coming from good-faith, why even try to block the notification that's coming? seems to me you're just victim blaming. Why are you trying to make the life of new players even harder??? I thought better of you.

    And "handholding" is subjective. If you dislike handholding why do you even look at guides/owlrepo?
     
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    I do agree that we shouldnt ban people just for offering low amounts for WS/CS, as its a whole can of worm that we don't want to open. However preventing the automated system that's simply trying to inform new players from working is altogether another issue.

    edit: what i mean is, not allowing people to purposefully stop automated messages from working IS a clear line we can draw WITHOUT going into the can of worms that is GMs deciding what is and what isn't "good enough" of an offer for certain items.
     
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    The way I see it, the policies you police and the stances you take help shape your community.

    Now, of course I believe in personal responsibility; but given the choice, I would rather be part of a community you could accuse of being "coddling" to newcomers and the gullible, than be part of a community of sharks and cons.

    Inaction here is a green light for such sharks. It does encourage what someone else called "trashy" behaviour. It's a step toward a "trashier" community.
     
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    Newer players who have not yet acclimated to the server likely will not know the market pricing of items, and would be unaware of the fact that there are people who take advantage of them for this very reason--simply being uninformed. The community is for the most part friendly and helpful, so I could see why they would be more trusting and give the small minority of players who are offering low prices the benefit of the doubt. To combat this, the notification "Note" feature was added as a layer of protection for newer players with these scenarios in mind.

    While lowballing players for rare items is not violating the ToS, I would consider intentionally spamming notifications to circumvent the note feature--made with the purpose to help out and educate newer players immediately upon receiving the item--to fall under either 2.5 Bug / Glitch Abuse or 4.2 Griefing.

    The "Note" which acts as a buffer and notifies the player to do more research before such offers could even reach them, is always meant to be received upon the first roll of a rare item. That is how it was intended to work when added into the game. If a player is spamming to prevent the note from ever being delivered and serving its willful purpose, that is intentionally obstructing a feature of the game: abusing a glitch.

    If not that, then at the very least, "Griefing" is defined by the ToS as:
    "an intentional or conscious conduct in-game that has the effect of disrupting, obstructing, interfering with, or sabotaging another player’s gameplay."
     
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    As I'd stated in the prior thread, a major point of scams is convincing people to not take a second to think. I do agree that we don't need to go full hand-holding mode and protect everyone due to the impossibility of the task, but we can also avoid putting our most vulnerable players in scammable situations (see: removing global player yellow line notifications, or better informing players by preventing actions until player sees the rare item popup). The part that bothers me the most though, is why do we keep implying people aren't getting scammed simply because they agreed to get scammed? Preying on human naivety is... the literal definition of a scam.
     
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