Accepted & Implemented Block all trades/Invites after obtaining yellow lines

Being scammed is part of Maple experience. But yah, putting aside willing buyer willing seller, spamming trade request or doing any method of preventing the pop-up from showing is such an obvious sign they are trying to scam. it's literally trying to prevent (automated) GMs from doing their job, which is not a gray area. If you're intentionally trading 3+ times in 5 seconds or whatever right after people get yellow line, it's deliberate obstruction of the system.

 

the person mentioned that the buyer BL them, so they might be doing a mix of BL request, PT request, trade request, and anything else im not thinking of

 

Drop the ign

 

Ign is in the OP, still kindof readable.

 

What a narrow and hindsighted perspective. Instead of putting the onus on the established, greedy players to do better, why is your first response to belittle people for being gullible?

80m doesn't seem like a scam in the perspective of a new player who has no understanding of the value of meso or their items. Most new players don't start this game thinking they'll be playing for much longer than a month. I know I didn't, so in that context, I couldn't have cared less what I did with a white scroll or chaos scroll. Doesn't make the situation any less bad, and I'd much rather move towards a direction or community that normalizes punishing greed.

Let us show IGNs and call out shitheads.

 

this thread is about blocking trade requests so the new players actually get to see the notification that pops up when they get WS/CS for the first time. If the buyer is spamming in order to prevent the automated mods from working, they're purposefully trying to break the system in place.

 

again, if you want to argue its not necessary, its a different issue altogether. If the buyer is not trying to scam, and is coming from good-faith, why even try to block the notification that's coming? seems to me you're just victim blaming. Why are you trying to make the life of new players even harder??? I thought better of you.

And "handholding" is subjective. If you dislike handholding why do you even look at guides/owlrepo?

 

I do agree that we shouldnt ban people just for offering low amounts for WS/CS, as its a whole can of worm that we don't want to open. However preventing the automated system that's simply trying to inform new players from working is altogether another issue.

edit: what i mean is, not allowing people to purposefully stop automated messages from working IS a clear line we can draw WITHOUT going into the can of worms that is GMs deciding what is and what isn't "good enough" of an offer for certain items.

 

The way I see it, the policies you police and the stances you take help shape your community.

Now, of course I believe in personal responsibility; but given the choice, I would rather be part of a community you could accuse of being "coddling" to newcomers and the gullible, than be part of a community of sharks and cons.

Inaction here is a green light for such sharks. It does encourage what someone else called "trashy" behaviour. It's a step toward a "trashier" community.

 

Newer players who have not yet acclimated to the server likely will not know the market pricing of items, and would be unaware of the fact that there are people who take advantage of them for this very reason--simply being uninformed. The community is for the most part friendly and helpful, so I could see why they would be more trusting and give the small minority of players who are offering low prices the benefit of the doubt. To combat this, the notification "Note" feature was added as a layer of protection for newer players with these scenarios in mind.

While lowballing players for rare items is not violating the ToS, I would consider intentionally spamming notifications to circumvent the note feature--made with the purpose to help out and educate newer players immediately upon receiving the item--to fall under either 2.5 Bug / Glitch Abuse or 4.2 Griefing.

The "Note" which acts as a buffer and notifies the player to do more research before such offers could even reach them, is always meant to be received upon the first roll of a rare item. That is how it was intended to work when added into the game. If a player is spamming to prevent the note from ever being delivered and serving its willful purpose, that is intentionally obstructing a feature of the game: abusing a glitch.

If not that, then at the very least, "Griefing" is defined by the ToS as:
"an intentional or conscious conduct in-game that has the effect of disrupting, obstructing, interfering with, or sabotaging another player’s gameplay."

 

As I'd stated in the prior thread, a major point of scams is convincing people to not take a second to think. I do agree that we don't need to go full hand-holding mode and protect everyone due to the impossibility of the task, but we can also avoid putting our most vulnerable players in scammable situations (see: removing global player yellow line notifications, or better informing players by preventing actions until player sees the rare item popup). The part that bothers me the most though, is why do we keep implying people aren't getting scammed simply because they agreed to get scammed? Preying on human naivety is... the literal definition of a scam.