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Community EPH Thread

Discussion in 'Training' started by Pante, Sep 8, 2021.

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    I recently had the idea while training to make a community thread where people share their EPH (calculated using the @epm command) and put them all into one thread. With a lot of community effort this can later serve as a training/leeching guide.

    Please only submit @epm 5 and higher but @epm 20's are preferred. Events are taken into consideration and converted into normal EPH. Here is the format each for each submission:

    Actively Attacking
    Screenshot of @EPM calculation:
    Map name:
    Party members:
    Holy symbol Y/N:
    Event EXP Y/N:
    Attack Potions Used (Optional):

    Leeching
    Screenshot of @EPM calculation:
    Map name:
    Type of leech:
    Event EXP Y/N:

    Each submission will then be posted into it's respective thread using the following format:
    [Level] [Subclass] [Map] [PT(Number of Party Members)] [HS or no HS] [EPH] [Link to Original Screenshot]

    Actively Attacking
    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Hidden Street: Unbalanced Time
    Party members: 1
    Holy symbol Y/N: N
    Event EXP Y/N: Y

    80 White Knight - Hidden Street: Unbalanced Time - PT1 - 4.64M Link

    Leeching
    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Ulu City Center
    Type of leech: Trio 1 hit
    Event EXP Y/N: Y
    Singapore: Ulu City Center (Petrifighter)
    118 Leecher - Trio 1 hit - 15.71M Link

    75 Beginner - Taiwan: Star Avenue East Section - PT1 - HS 686K Link

    36 Page - Mu Lung: Entrance to Sky Forest - PT1 - HS 683K Link
    37 Page - Ghost Ship 2 - PT1 - HS 695K Link
    37 Page - Mu Lung: Entrance to Sky Forest - PT1 - HS 645K Link
    55 Spearman - Ghost Ship 2 - PT1 - 969K Community EPH Thread
    63 Fighter - Forest of Golem - PT2 - HS 1.44M Link
    64 Spearman - Taiwan: Star Avenue South Section - PT1 - 2.92M Link
    64 Fighter - Taiwan: Star Avenue South Section - PT1 - HS 3.53M Link
    68 Page - Taiwan: Star Avenue South Section - PT1 3.41M Link
    76 White Knight - Taiwan: City Plaza East Section - PT1 3.34M Link
    76 White Knight - Taiwan: Star Avenue South Section - PT1 4.70M Link
    77 White Knight - Taiwan: Star Avenue South Section - PT2 - HS 6.67M Link
    80 White Knight - Hidden Street: Unbalanced Time - PT1 4.64M Link
    80 White Knight - MesoGears: Wolf Spider Cavern - PT1 4.09M Link
    80 White Knight - Malaysia: Fantasy Theme Park 3 - PT1 6.53M Link
    81 White Knight - Taiwan: Star Avenue South Section - PT1 4.96M Link
    92 White Knight - Malaysia: Fantasy Theme Park 3 - PT1 7.32M Link
    95 White Knight - Hidden Street: Forbidden Time - PT1 7.73M Link
    97 White Knight - Hidden Street: Forbidden Time - PT2 - HS 10.19M Link
    106 White Knight - Hidden Street: Forbidden Time - PT2 - HS 17.29M Link
    165 Hero - Time Lane: Road to Oblivion 4 - PT1 23.39M Link
    165 Paladin - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 58.66M Link
    165 Paladin - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 61.52M Link
    169 Paladin - Sutra Depository 7F - PT2 - HS 64.92M Link
    171 Paladin - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 65.93M Link
    174 Paladin - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 64.67M Link
    174 Paladin - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 69.39M Link
    179 Paladin - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 72.96M Link
    181 Paladin - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 72.81M Link
    186 Paladin - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 75.16M Link
    188 Paladin - Sutra Depository 7F - PT1 - HS 51.30M Link

    60 Ice/Lightning Mage - Ghost Ship 2 - PT1 - HS 1.53M Link
    76 Ice/Lightning Mage - Ghost Ship 2 - PT 1 - 2.48M Link
    109 Priest - Zipangu: Encounter With the Buddha - PT1 - HS 10.70M Link
    112 Fire/Poison Mage - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT1 - 25.25M Link
    144 Bishop - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS - 77.60M Link
    157 Ice/Lightning Archmage - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 93.53M Link
    169 Ice/Lightning Archmage - Ulu City Center - PT2 - HS 83.43M Link
    176 Bishop - Leafre - Nest of a Dead Dragon - PT1 - HS 67.24M Link
    179 Ice/Lightning Archmage - Time Lane: Road to Oblivion 2 - PT1 - HS 82.13M Link
    180 Ice/Lightning Archmage - Time Lane: Road to Oblivion 4 - PT1 - HS 89.65M Link
    181 Ice/Lightning Archmage - Time Lane: Road to Oblivion 5 - PT1 - HS 97.01M Link
    189 Ice/Lightning Archmage - Time Lane: Road to Oblivion 5 - PT1 - HS 93.73M Link
    190 Ice/Lightning Archmage - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 82.05M Link

    71 Sniper - Alcadno Research Institute Lab - Area C-2 - PT1 - 1.25M Link
    71 Sniper - Alcadno Research Institute Lab - Area A-1 - PT1 - 823K Link
    72 Sniper - Zipangu: Ninja Castle Hallway - PT1 - 910K Link

    125 Night Lord - Sutra Depository 5-6 F - PT2 - HS 16.67M Link
    134 Night Lord - Sutra Depository 5-6F - PT2 - HS 35.33M Link
    147 Shadower - Memory Lane 5 - PT2 - HS 16.48M Link
    149 Shadower - Hidden Street: Unbalanced Time - PT2 - HS 14.88M Link
    159 Shadower - Malaysia: Fantasy Theme Park 3 - PT1 18.76M Link
    159 Shadower - Malaysia: Fantasy Theme Park 3 - PT1 - HS 22.34M Link
    163 Night Lord - Zipangu: 2102 Akihabara - Rooftop - PT1 13.20M Link
    172 Shadower - Time Lane: Memory Lane 5 - PT1 - HS 19.06M Link
    173 Shadower - Zipangu: 2095 Park - PT1 - HS 30.64M Link
    173 Shadower - Sutra Depository 7F - PT1 - HS 46.12M Link
    173 Shadower - Sutra Depository 7F - PT2 - HS 63.70M Link

    136 Corsair - Sutra Depository 5-6 F - PT1 14.95M Link
    178 Corsair - Sutra Depository 7F - PT1 43.17M Link
    178 Corsair - Sutra Depository 7F - PT2 - HS 70.39M Link

    20 Beginner - Dangerous Forest: Maple Island - PT1 - HS 54.90K Link
    48 Beginner - Hunting Ground in the Middle of the Forest II - PT1 51.77K Link

    4 Camper - Lower Level of the Training Camp - PT1 0.96K Link
    20 Camper - Lower Level of the Training Camp - PT1 2.16K Link

    Kerning City Subway: Line 1 Area 1 (Bubblings)

    Zipangu: Inside Ninja Castle (Genin)

    Kerning City Subway: Line 2 Area 1 (Jr. Wraith)

    32 Leecher - Quintuple - 1 Hit 268K Link
    42 Leecher - Duo - 1 Hit 311K Link
    39 Leecher - Quintuple - 1 Hit 313K Link

    Mu Lung: Entrance to Sky Forest

    38 Leecher - Solo - 1 Hit 420K Link
    41 Leecher - Solo - 1 Hit 537K Link


    Kerning City Subway: Line 2 Area 3 (Wraith)

    43 Leecher - Quintuple - 1 Hit 507K Link
    43 Leecher - Duo - 1 Hit 607K Link
    44 Leecher - Solo - 1 Hit 720K Link


    Zipangu: The Secret Spa (M/F) (Red Slime / Firebombs)

    Singapore: Ghost Ship 1 (Pac Pinky)

    Singapore: Ghost Ship 5 (Selkie Jr.)

    57 Leecher - Solo - 1 Hit

    Singapore: Ghost Ship 2 (Slimy)

    Crimsonwood Mountain: Lower Ascent (Windraider)
    66 Leecher - Solo - 1 Hit 4.31M Link
    66 Leecher - Duo - 1 Hit 3.71M Link
    66 Leecher - Trio - 1 Hit 2.95M Link
    68 Leecher - Duo - 1 Hit 3.78M Link

    Taiwan: Star Avenue South Section (CDs)
    67 Leecher - Solo - 1 Hit 3.23M Link

    MesoGears: Wolf Spider Cavern (Wolf Spider)
    77 Leecher - Duo - 1 Hit 8.54M Link

    Malaysia: Fantasy Theme Park 3

    82 Leecher - Solo - 1 Hit 14.46M Link

    Singapore: Ulu Estate 1 (Beserkie / Veetron)

    Singapore: Ulu Estate 2 (Veetron / Slygie)

    Singapore: Ulu Estate 3 (Montrecer)

    Leecher 101 - Trio - 1 Hit 15.29M Link
    Leecher 103 - Solo - 1 Hit 27.90M Link
    Leecher 103 - Duo - 1 Hit 23.00M Link
    Leecher 103 - Trio - 1 Hit 19.30M Link
    Leecher 103 - Quad - 1 Hit 17.20M Link
    Leech 106 - Solo - 1 Hit 64.13M Link

    Singapore: Ulu City Center (Petrifighter)
    118 Leecher - Trio - 1 Hit 15.71M Link
    124 Leecher - Trio - 1 Hit 22.46M Link
    113 Leecher - Solo - 1 Hit 33.25M Link

    Leafre: The Dragon Nest Left Behind (Skelegon / Skelesaurus)

    Leafre: Nest of a Dead Dragon (Skelegon / Skelesaurus)
    119 Leecher - Duo - 1 Hit 20.28M Link

    China: Sutra Depository 5-6 F (Silver Spearman / Mini Gold Martial Artist)

    I am very welcome to any feedback/advice anyone may have for this thread. Do not hesitate to voice your concerns or recommendations.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2023
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    Submissions
    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Taiwan: Star Avenue South Section
    Attack potion used: Coke Pill
    Holy symbol Y/N: N

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Taiwan: Star Avenue South Section
    Attack potion used: Coke Pill
    Holy symbol Y/N: Y

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: MesoGears: Wolf Spider Cavern
    Attack potion used: Coke Pill
    Holy symbol Y/N: N

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Malaysia: Fantasy Theme Park 3
    Attack potion used: Coke Pill
    Holy symbol Y/N: N

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Taiwan: Star Avenue South Section
    Attack potion used: Coke Pill
    Holy symbol Y/N: N

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Taiwan: City Plaza East Section
    Attack potion used: Coke Pill
    Holy symbol Y/N: N

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Star Avenue South Section
    Attack potion used: Coke Pill
    Holy symbol Y/N: N

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Hidden Street: Unbalanced Time
    Attack potion used: Coke Pill
    Holy symbol Y/N: N

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Nest of a Dead Dragon
    Type of leech: Duo 1 hit

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Ulu City Center
    Type of leech: Trio 1 hit
     
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    I love this, it'll be super helpful if its well organised and gets enough data.
    It might also be useful to know how many people are in a party. And I think attack range might be more appropriate than damage potion used, although that could be a little more difficult to submit/use.
    And bonus EXP from events might be worth worrying about too

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: Screenshot (5).png
    Map name: Zipangu: 2102 Akihabara - Rooftop
    Party Members: 1
    Holy symbol Y/N: N
    Event EXP: N
     
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    Great idea! One thing you might want to include is party composition when training in a party. For grinding this is important because you may be mostly getting leeched (for example, a lvl 108 warrior could duo skeles with a bishop and gain an EPH otherwise unattainable), and for leeching it is important in reproducing the EPH (the levels of the leecher/leech buyers matters a lot in EXP distribution amongst them).
    So maybe have people state what levels/classes are in their party and their ‘role’, like:
    82 - white knight - attacker
    89 - priest - attacker
    67 - assassin - leecher/mule
     
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    Also, in the short one sentence mentioning of the EPH attained in the main post, maybe consider adding (solo) or (party) behind it (depending on situation) so people can easily skim through and compare solo training EPH’s when they are training solo :)

    EDIT; was only critical but I absolutely love this thread already, will send in my submissions soon!
     
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    Is this a community thread to slander bad leechers? Or are we going on Yelp for that

    Actively Attacking
    Screenshot of @EPM calculation:[​IMG]
    Map name: Ulu City Center
    Attack potion used: n/a
    Holy symbol Y/N: Y
    Party members: 2 total (1 leecher gaining exp to maximise eph)
    This is mostly to accommodate the leeching EPH, with mage EPH you can calculate what any leechers will be getting

    Leeching
    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Ulu City Center
    Type of leech: Solo (would translate to 25m EPH trio leech)

    Screenshots are from a little bit ago so I don't have longer EPH test ready, Can go back to revisit the eph.
     
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    Should add another section mentioning event bonus exp amount
     
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    Replaced the attack potion section with party members instead. I don't have any plans of adding an attack range section as it makes the submission process harder. Thank you for your submissions and feedback!

    While this would make the guide more accurate I want to reduce clutter as much as possible to make it easy to read. It would also make it harder for people to submit each post, however as mentioned above I replaced attack potions with amount of party members. Thank you for your feedback!


    If the thread devolves into a witch hunting thread for bad leech sellers I'll remove the leeching section as my main goal was to make a thread for attacker EPH.

    Added both submissions. Thanks for submitting! (Longer EPH tests would be appreciated but for now I'll work with what is given to me)

    Currently I am unsure as to how I want to handle bonus event EXP as it only changes the calculation by ~5% and I don't want to split each section into event EXP and regular EXP. If anyone has any suggestions on how to easily implement it into my submission lines I would be happy to include it! Thanks for your feedback.
     
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    Perhaps it should be mentioned on the submission if it was during event or not?
     
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    Made some more changes to the thread today. Found a solution for event EPH, decided to convert all event given EPH into normal rate EPH. This keeps the thread clear and concise while also not misleading people with inflated EPH calculations.

    Updated the leeching section to include the most used leeching spots. The way I'll organize the EPH in the leech section will be from lowest EPH to highest creating a range as more submissions are added.

    Still need a lot more submissions!
     
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    Islander solo [130 speed] 10min @epm

    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Hunting Ground in the Middle of the Forest II
    Party members: none
    Holy symbol Y/N: N
    Event EXP Y/N: Y
     
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    Actively Attacking
    Screenshot of @EPM calculation:[​IMG]
    Map name: Memory Lane 5
    Attack potion used: Cider (2-shot the mobs 90-ish% of the time)
    Holy symbol Y/N: Y
    Party members: 2 total (1 leecher gaining exp to maximise eph)
     
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    upload_2021-9-8_20-44-5.png

    120 int corsair solo grinding at 5/6

    Also LF>ranged training buddy at 5/6 to see how it actually is 12x-14x, preferably someone with <200 int. Seems like a group with no data and the only advice people have is to leech/cardhunt/boss. Can provide HS and SE if needed. Alyosha#1100 is my discord if you want to test it out

    Ran some 5 minute tests with a couple folks, 1 BM level 131 with 240 int, ended up at 21.6mil exp/hr. The next test was with a 125 NL with 160 int and used FM SE for 25mil exp/hr.

    It's looking pretty good so far, an hour of training with a buddy is likely better than running 2x pap and 2x rav for newer 4th job folks.
     
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    Hi I'm the NL Alyosha mentioned, here's my epm 5:
    [​IMG]
    Granted I started my test late without mentioning it, so the test got a little bit scuffed.
    I think pulling >20m eph for me would be comfortably doable here, as I was not on mw10/20 and I hadn't leveled my Triple Throw past 10 yet.
     
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    I think you will probaly get more at 7F, u should give it a try (if u have torpado of coures)
     
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    My boat has 53k hp so it can only really last a couple minutes at 7f before breaking. If I choose to max boat by 160 it'll have 170k hp which is probably where 7f starts to look viable, and could possibly fit in a full cider before relogging to fix the boat.
     
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    I'm down to grind a bit with my NL just to see how things are. Hit me up on discord around reset tonight.
     
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    Screenshot of @EPM calculation: [​IMG]
    Map name: Fantasy Theme Park 3
    Party members: PT1
    Holy symbol Y/N: N
    Event EXP Y/N: Y

    LF>SUBMISSIONS MapleF15
     
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    Both of these are EPM 20s, but I feel like corsair EPM could be even longer to account for multiple boat breaks.

    Solo at 7F, no HS, and with current event bonus:
    [​IMG]

    Duo at 7F (right side) with 199 DK, with HS, and with current event bonus:
    [​IMG]

    There's still room for improvement, but it's also kind of a pain to do long EPMs, so maybe I'll come back to it one day.
     

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    Suggestion: Add a ''note'' to your submission template. You could for example create a note that says ''used onyx apple'' or ''100 dex base hunter'', so that people have context.
     
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