Discussion related with "dexless sin"

First of all, you should include Zhelm (or scar/targa hats) + HTP if you will be bothering calcing for 1000 total stats.

Also, I will point out that shoes and helmets can be scrolled to increase dex, but they can't be scrolled to increase luk.

 

I'm not sure since I don't main thieves, but I think you're not wrong; I also don't know what you really consider low-dex aside from the value you listed here (46 base) or the "high-dex" example of base 137.

There's probably a more optimal setting, or at least a range of values you could list for base dex because it really depends on the available scrolling you have/how #baboblessed you are. Are you talking about for the average NL here or the "pro" ones? Because hoarding / farming/affording scrolls will be a long-term effort and some scrolls are more feasible to grab than others.

The reason I'm asking is because there appears to be more dex scrolls than luk, or at least popularly more dex than luk. Dex has 60/70/30/10 bot, Ear, helm, cape; Dex can also be gained by scrolling YSS or high dex shoes that could also have luk. Luk, as far as ik, applies to ear, top, cape; to get the excess luk you are talking about sounds like you will need chaos, but I'm not 100% sure. Oh, and both dex and luk do have OA scrolls I guess, but I feel like dex is much more popular/valuable than that.

I'm curious: have you found (and tested) an actual optimal amount of dex?

 

I'm trying to think; I believe your logic/reasoning is sound, but now is time to find the "best" base. assume you have MW20, +23 from HTP and let's say... 25 dex zhelm (I mean, landing 5/10 60 or 70 shouldn't be that big of a challenge... I think), so let's say pre-MW you have 48 Dex. Your estimate of ~90 dex being optimal base doesn't seem far off/wrong, assuming you scroll some shoe for DEX via jump scrolls, because if you have like even +3Dex from shoes you should be able to use a Sleeve.

Actually, given that it takes so little to reach 150 dex by the time you hit endgame, there shouldn't be an issue with like 80 or 70 base depending on how great your pants or overall are (considering pants can only be scrolled for dex), but if you're going overall you might wanna lean more towards the 80-90 side.

 

Yeah, I understand that; the only issue I see though is that the only overlapping thing(s) appear to be Ear, Cape (if you can't afford chaos), and overalls, which, doesn't seem to be too many things you can substitute luk in for dex.

 

Yeah, I definitely agree with your sentiments; I'm just trying to figure out how to actually get there and if the trade-off is possible for everyone/ is realistically achievable.

The reason being is that I see much fewer luk scrolls than I do dex, so it seems harder, imo, to achieve a better +Luk. Even though dex seems to be more overpriced or expensive, it also seems easier to get them. But then again, that shouldn't matter if we're talking about optimizing so, idrk.