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Not a Bug Droprate bugged on "Judging the Axe"?

Discussion in 'Report Bugs' started by Zark, Mar 20, 2017.

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  1. Lionheart
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    Dude, I've done this quest multiple times on different servers, even GMS. Tons of other people haven't had problems with this quest either. The quest is fine and doesn't need changing.

    This isn't bad programming, this is you just whining and being impatient cause you got unlucky. If you spent as much time just grinding those dark stumps instead of complaining here, you'd already have completed the quest by now.
     
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    Is there any need to be so hostile?
     
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    What, so I'm being "hostile" for saying you are whining? I wouldn't know what else to call it.

    Hey, just a thought. Taking into consideration how mob spawns work, maybe you are meant to just slaughter all the moon bunnies at the same time. That way you get more appropriate exp and "entertainment" and it helps make the stumps spawn faster.
     
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    You can choose to complete the quest in KFT if you wish, and you have the option to acquire the Axes in Perion. I like the idea that we've been given greater latitude on how we can complete the quest. There is another quest in KFT that requires you to get Shrimps and Seal Meat in Aqua Road, so there is precedence for traveling to complete KFT quests.

    As for value, just because they are not currently sold does not negate their value. I've sold some of my Axes in my private stock at a rate of about 25k per Axe. They aren't currently sold in The Junk Yard (FM 19) because I only put overstock in my stores. Did you want some? I think I have about 50-80 in stock right now. =o)
     
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    I'm not whining, I'm suggesting a fix for a quest that is unnecessarily and artificially difficult. I've done plenty of high effort in the original server, I had the Quest Specialist medal within a month of its introduction at level 80 no less. I can assure you, I know my way around quests. You, frankly, are being kind of a jerk over practically nothing. Does a single quest being altered for the better hurt your honor so harshly?

    The amount of maps traveled to get to the mobs in Aqua Road is about even with the further reaches of the KFT maps, as opposed to being on the opposite side of the world. Also, common drops compared to .5%. Kind of an apples to oranges comparison IMO.

    I'd rather not pay for them (given my atrocious luck) but if Lionheart wants to put up or shut up I'm game. We can even gamble on it if that interests either of you MapleF17
     
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    If you're such a badass quest guru, why is this one giving you such a problem, and why hasn't anyone else complained about it in the two years this server has been up?

    Sure, you are welcome to make suggestions, but seeing as this is an open forums, don't get upset when people disagree with you for making bad suggestions.
     
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    I've actually been thinking to make a thread on this in 2016 but i forgot to do it OnionSweatie
     
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    I remember it took like 5 or 6 tries for my two friends, but for me was like 30 or so XD
     
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    So is Lionheart this forums primary troll then?
     
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    I'm up for seeing the rate of either axes (if there's no knock-on effects to other quests) or success rate increased. I think the quest's pretty weirdly set up at the moment, and I've had to help quite a few people farm axes for it just in the past few weeks, so I can absolutely vouch for this being a bit of a faff! :)
     
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    http://bbb.hidden-street.net/items/leftover/axe

    According to BBBHS, this is the only quest Axe is used for, and IIRC it's not used as a crafting item either. That said, as there are people who sell quest items in this server (such as Annolis), I think the better option is as Kim hinted, equalizing the rates. I'll run the numbers in a minute and edit this post with results.

    Edit: (this assumes an Axe drop rate of 1/20)
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    I have a soft spot for mathematical arguments! :heartbeat:

    If a change was going to happen (which I would vote against), then there are two schools of thought. If I were to appeal to my Meso pocketbook, I'd rather the drop rate for Axes go up. The demand curve would remain constant while the supply curve goes up, and if I can count on other players NPCing or discarding those Axes, then my supply increases while my prices can remain the same because alternative supplies are effectively the same except for those who would truly grind the quest out (whom I wouldn't end up doing business with anyway). I wouldn't want the success rate of the quest to increase because that would lower the demand curve, and that would always equate to selling fewer Axes.

    Nevertheless, my argument was more for the fact that other areas in the game will have you go across the world. The Swallow has a chain of quests that interact with Mu Lung, as well as God of Mountains. So, again, there are plenty of instances where some quests require travel. I could even point out the quests by Wiz the Librarian in the first map into Helios Tower from KFT has quests that require traveling to Ariant and back...several times! I think the notion that you have to travel to Perion to complete the quest in a more effective time is not a compelling reason to demand a change. Furthermore, my experience has been sometimes I get really lucky, and other times I get terrible luck. How often does a 10% scroll work? That's the same chance of success when turning in an Axe. If you get about 12 to 15, statistically you should complete the quest. But statistical likelihood is not equivalent to a guarantee - and that's something this particular quest can never produce. I think the quest works just fine.:yay:
     
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    Been a while since I studied economics, so bear with me, my logic might not be 100%. It seems to me that selling Axes only works because if the convenience factor. If they were to drop more, I'd be inclined to think you'd sell far less than you think. This also shifts the burden of the gamble from you to the consumer, which is where you, as a business, would profit most.

    As for the Ariant argument, that was added many patches after KFT, and is more a fetch quest than a kill/collection quest. Intent is the key word here. DAS haven always fit the theme of KFT in my mind, especially given the folk tale this quest is based on.

    Finally, I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole that is scrolls. Luck based advancement is bad game design at its core, and scrolling is the epitome of that concept. Comes part and parcel with Maple, I know, but for a server that claims to be "quest friendly", this one simply isn't.
     
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    Next patch they will all have same chance to be obtained.

    Not really a bug bug marked as 'fixed next patch'.
     
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    I wouldn't call him a troll, he's just a person who speaks his opinion in a very direct manner, which is fine because we need opinions on certain things. He's just very direct about it.
     
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    Thanks Kim! Also, I know I'm very late with this (due to my abscense), but I noticed you added the NX/donor items I suggested from way back, so thank you for that too!MapleF15MapleF15MapleF15

    I'm fine with discussion and directness, even debating, but when it turns into name calling all respect is gone - and I'm not above retaliation ;)
     
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    I never called you any names, but I did say you were whining. You on the other hand said I was being hostile, then called me a jerk and a troll.

    Everything I said was 100% true, though. If I was in your shoes, I'd have the quest done before the OP was even made. But hey, congratulations on your victory because getting the staff here to change a GMS-like quest, especially for something so frivolous, is unheard of. Well, at least till now.

    Can't wait for the drop rate of Arwen's glass shoe, nependeath honey, and Blackbull's deed to skyrocket. Can't wait for the kill 999 quests to be turned into something like kill 499 too.
     
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