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Not a Bug Droprate bugged on "Judging the Axe"?

Discussion in 'Report Bugs' started by Zark, Mar 20, 2017.

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  1. Zark
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    I've not received the correct axe ("Tree Cutter's Steel Axe") from this quest in over 30 tries, which seems abysmally low. If it is indeed a low % result, can't Dark Axe Stumps at least drop the "Axe" item more frequently? Having an impossible time farming these in the map "KFT: A Small Well" at the level you should be able to, and even on an alt in Perion maps where these suckers spawn, the drop rate seems to be something like 5%. On original server I'd usually get it within 12-15 tries, revamps put it closer to 5-8 tries.

    Started hoarding the wrong axes after my first 10 attempts failed, as you can see in the attached screen.
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    u can fail even more than 100 times in a row, its probability isn't 0%. but we can't say it's bug....try again, don't forget to pray to RNGesus the true god of maplelegends, and good luck!

    (actually many ppls cleared that quest, some were really lucky, some were really unlucky.)
     
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    If you rly want to complete the quest you should farm axe stumps in perion
    Thats what i didOnionCourage
     
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    It takes me on average like 20 times to get the right axe... and, well, you're there. But randomness is always a thing.
     
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    Given all 12 of my characters attempts to complete this quest, the average is about 10-15. Sometimes I got it within 2 tries, others I had to go through 30 attempts.
    S>Axe for 10k each!
     
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    If you have a second character somewhere in Victoria Island you can get him to Perion and kill Dark Axe Stumps on that character and transfer them over to the other character :)

    Will agree though, that quest is a pain OnionSorry
     
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    I may look into how this quest works for curiosity reasons. I find it a pretty tedious quest as well since the odd to get the right axe is IMO way too low.
     
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    So,

    As usual with Neckson quests the 'chance' are very bias'd

    The chance seems as follows:

    Tree Cutter's Steel Axe: 10

    All the other ones are 18, meaning there's a higher chance to get the other. Combine with fact there's 5 of them that are wrong, the chance to get the right one is rather low. I probably will change it so its true random (all of them chance 1).
     
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    Can you do the same with exp/reg hair tickets? MapleF3_Origin
     
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    EXP/REG are actually 100% random. That's probably why people never get the right hair, because so many are available.
     
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    Took me like 3 tries Kreygasm
     
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    RNGesus! I got my IL hair with 20+s Q.Q....
     
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    Some ya'll need to read OP better. Been grinding a low level warrior in Stumpy's map for the axes. Not fun.

    Thanks Kim. Dividing by 6 is a mess, so are we looking at an ALT1 or ALT2? Also, could you satisfy my curiosity on what the droprate of Axes from Dark Axe Stump is? MapleF14 Pretty plz
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    That only translates to a 10% chance of getting the right axe. The quest is fine as it is honestly.
     
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    It's double gating on a quest, that's my biggest problem with it. Either buff the droprate of Axe, or equalize the %s. As is (based on Axe drop from stump kill estimate), you have roughly a 1/200 (.5%) shot of getting the right axe per stump kill.
     
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    A quest that requires you to kill only 200 easy mobs?

    There are many far more difficult quests than that.
     
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    The spawn rate in KFT is horrid for Dark Axe Stumps. The only reasonable way to collect a large amount of axes is to collect them on Victoria Island like others said. Comparing it to other "kill x amount of mob" quests isn't fair since those are usually given in areas that have that mob in abundance.
     
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    You're missing the point entirely. If it were just 200 mobs, sure, that's nothing to complain about. The reality of the situation is at .5% effective droprate, you can easily be farming for hours and never see the quest item pop up. This in zone geared for 40's. If Axe dropped from mobs that were at the right level, at least that would make sense. Grinding stumps at that level is tedious, and as mettzi stated, the spawn rate in KFT is trash. The sentiment that I have to go to Perion to farm stumps to finish this proper betrays how bad it holds up as a quest.
     
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    There are many quests that have you collect items from other areas, especially the string of Maya's Concerns which requires the majority of items collected from the Orbis / El Nath region. So if finishing this quest means going back to Perion (or stockpiling your Axes and not NPCing them when you're grinding at the earlier levels), that's nothing out-of-the-ordinary. If the drop rate of Axes increases, that decreases their value in FM. If the probability of completing the quest increases from a 1/10 chance to a 1/6 chance, that also decreases their value.


    If the consternation of this quest is truly in question then perhaps instead of making it an easier quest to complete it should yield a higher reward. Nerfing quests is the road Neckson took...
     
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    These "other quests" are expected to be completed elsewhere. I never had to leave KFT to complete this quest before. Granted, I can't state with 100% certainty that I completed it in v.62 specifically, but I know I damn well completed it sometime long before BB. The fact that there's even DAS in KFT maps to kill is proof enough that the intention was to collect Axe in those maps. The commonly accepted way to complete this quest is a workaround for bad programming, since we have the ability to improve it, we should.

    Also, FM value since when?
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    The reward is exactly in line with the rest of the quests at this level range in this zone. Please do not pervert the intention of this request.
     
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