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[Formal Proposal] Quester's Ring

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Skuire, Apr 30, 2020.

Do you support this proposal?

  1. Yes

    490 vote(s)
    82.6%
  2. Yes, but needs changes (specify in thread)

    84 vote(s)
    14.2%
  3. No

    19 vote(s)
    3.2%
  1. Chew
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    Chew Headless Horseman

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    Hello staff of ML. What do you think of the suggestion? More than 95% of your playerbase want this in some way or form.
    Are you instead working on a proper solution that removes the aspect of timegated HP washing from the game? or removing HP washing entirely?
    It's been 5 years. One would think the elite community must have enjoyed the advantage of their efforts enough by now to let the game move on and be great. The excuse that they earned their advantage and everyone should go through the same torment of boredom simply is not valid anymore. There simply is no reason new players should face the same torment today.
    HP washing has halted the game for too long. We can do better. It is time for change!
     
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  2. Annolis
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    I'm all for eliminating the need for HP washing. Going about this through questing, though? I don't think that's the right direction.
     
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    I'd rather quest for a month than sit on my hands for half a year voting and waiting. Provided the ring is enough to make HP washing unnecessary.
    However, I would prefer if HP washing was removed entirely, so we can agree on that.
     
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    Arpygamer Blue Snail

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    I support this idea!
     
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  5. yurain
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    An added suggestion. Instead of restriction on the level of the ring and number of quest completed, I also suggest to add in "must complete" quests line for each upgraded. Such things can be more signficiant to the context instead of just a level requirement.

    Examples of such key quest line can be. Magaitia questline. Ariant questline. The Committee Challenges (Sabitrama in Sleepywood). KFT's storybooks. Finally, Alcaster's incredible long and shitty questline.
     
  6. Annolis
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    That quest line, though, unlocks your ability to buy unlimited All Cures, Summoning Rocks, and Magic Rocks. That should be the reward for that quest line in and of itself.
     
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    merky Mr. Anchor

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    IIRC the Magatia questline has a bug somewhere... has that been fixed yet?

    Some quests are tied to the PQ as well, and it can be a logistical nightmare arranging for a PQ (or downright impossible if you play at odd hours). I'd greatly prefer if such quests are excluded from the "must complete" quests.
     
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  8. yurain
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    yurain Windraider

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    Fair enough. I am not high level enough to need those items yet. But it is still a significant questline for consideration.

    AFAIK. I completed it, and it is bug free. Not to sure on the PQ part, I didn't experience those chokes along the way tbh.
     
  9. Annolis
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    The quest "Zenumist and the Ostracized Research" is still bugged, but the work around is to do the "Alcadno and the Ostracized Research" because you can only choose to do one of them, and this one does work. The other quest is "Yulete's Reward" which requires a lot of MPQ runs to get the marbles and such necessary to get the pendant. It's...way too labor intensive, and often requires suicides if you started doing MPQ around level 80. Not to mention, it's quite likely the least popular PQ, so recruiting people to go is difficult, too. It's great experience, though, if you have a party that knows what they're doing.

    Still, I like your idea in general in concept. But the quest strings, specifically, would need to be very carefully selected - if your suggestion were to be implemented.

    (Just in case anyone of importance has thought I've changed my mind, I still personally don't believe there should be a Tiered system for this. I think if you've done 800+ or 900+ quests, then you get the reward - just like it was done in GMS with the Quest Specialist Medal. There's no need to tier this thing, imo.)
     
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    Without a tier system, it would feel bery intimidating and tedious for new players, as most people need a slightly more broken up journey instead of one massive achievement to one massive reward. Would people be attempting monster book just as much without the Tier system? Personally, I wouldn't. When I see I have 2x/30 sets for the next tier, it always motivates me to get out of my way for those last few sets.
     
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    The Monster Book, I agree, definitely needed to be tiered. But I still don't think a Quest Ring should have some "enormous" reward to it. Most of the rewards for questing is in the experience, equips, and scrolls you get for accomplishing each one. I don't see why doing a whole lot of them should merit anything grand. I think a simple upgrade to the Ellin Ring after accomplishing 800+ or 900+ quests should be sufficient. The Quest Specialist Medal on GMS was +3 All Stats, +10 Avoid/Jump after accomplishing 800 quests. I think adding that to the Ellin Ring (+4 All Stats, +100 HP/MP, +10 Avoid/Jump) is adequate compensation and falls in line with the nostalgia premise this server tries to deliver.
     
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    Hey guys, thanks for all the support/discussion/ideas so far. I've been messing around trying to art while the server's down, so here's Questelle V3! Let me know whatcha think. SlimeSmile

    V1.[​IMG] V2. [​IMG] V3. [​IMG]
     
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    Oh wow, this sounds amazing!

    Just some stats for you. I spend about half my time questing, and usually intentionally explore new places and finish all of the accompanying collection quests. At level 100, I have done 580 quests. This is pretty close to on track with your level / quests tier up schedule.

    I also love finishing the boss related questlines, so maybe that can be incorporated somehow.
     
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    She's so cute!! MapleF15
    I think I like V2 the most.
     
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    I see your point, but I still feel like it would be better to have smaller, more digestable milestones along the way. You could say the same about grinding for monster book- mobs give exp and drops. It's true that some quests have their own merit of rewards, but far too many of them are disappointing, and the general consensus so far is that people prefer to grind rather than do more quests. People these days are meta-gaming too much- so giving more 'meta' incentive to do quests fulfills the nostalgia even more, again, in my view. Plus, we need a fix for the HP wash issue, or at least a boost in the way of HP/defense, which this aims to fulfill.

    I like V2 best! So adorable!
     
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    v2 is cuter, but I like the brighter colour scheme of v3.

    IMO. Quest ring should be tiered to show a sense of progress, but maybe not strictly 10 equal tiers like the monster ring.
    I forsee the quest number required for each tier to scale more like a log curve (more quests required at the lower tiers, less quests required at the higher tiers.)
     
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    I like V2 because hugging the book and covering her mischievous smile is adorable and so waifu-worthy

    For the record as someone who enjoys quests I am all for this, it would be a HUGE positive impact on the community imo to have people doing quests together.
     
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    merky Mr. Anchor

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    I love V2. The pose is perfect, although that means the little scarf will be covered up. I like the outlined 'Q' on the V3 hat too.

    Colours wise... V3 is vibrant, although V2 looks a little more realistic...? I'm a little undecided on the colour, TBH.
     
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    I am fully in support of anything that increases use and purpose of maps and mobs that aren't Slimys or Petris and increases exploration.
     
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    By the way, she's still gonna need an animation (I assume? NPCs have animations, right?)- so you can have her animation be going from the V2 pose to V3 pose. Plus the colouring of the book in V3 might be the one to use. Or maybe raising her book to hide her face behind it. Or both interchangeably.
     
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