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Not a Bug Horntail elemental damage

Discussion in 'Report Bugs' started by KurayamiLove, Oct 28, 2018.

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  1. Oct 28, 2018 #1
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    Description of the bug: (optional screenshot/video): The left head of horntail does an ice attack that isn't coded as ice, so bishops and DKs don't get the reduced damage for having elemental resistance.
    What is supposed to happen?: Have elemental ice attribute
    Where did you find and/or notice this bug?: Horntail
    A step-by-step guide to re-producing this bug (optional):
    Extra information (optional): The attack looks like 3 ice parts falling on your head. It has a 1/1 version but also a damaging version that isn't accounted as ice element.
     
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  2. Nov 17, 2018 #2
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    I have make pictures if that helps as proof.
    [​IMG]
    This is a picture of one of the many elemental attacks of HT, this one is fire and because of Elemental resistance I take less damage.
    [​IMG]
    But this icicle attack from the left head is not coded as ice so I take 5k+ damage.
    This is a big deal, DKs should not take that much damage and on the long run will help saving up pots (also because all elemental attacks here do to you around 3k dmg you don't spect to take 5k and you may die because of that). For bishops is a huge deal, at this point of the run you may start killing both of these heads and the middle one may dispell you and if you take damage from this attack you will die, otherwise you could easily tank any of HTs attacks without magic guard (as long as you have a bit over 3k hp base).
     
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  3. Nov 17, 2018 #3
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    Elemental damages are client sided and linked in the .wz files. That basically means that if it doesn't work here, it didn't work in GMS either, and a fix would be a custom change. Changing priority to low due to this.
     
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    thats why bishops need 3.8k HP clean to survive dispel. if this gets customly fixed, that would be awesome! (this is also how im a noob and die from ice strike when i try to trust aura beholder LOL)
     
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  5. Nov 18, 2018 #5
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    It always tricky for me as a DK when there's left and middle head left, i had to expect i would take up to 5k damage so stay above 5k HP to stay safe from ice part, and pet heals when below 5k HP but when i receive fire damage which is 3k, it heals over the zerk hp and then i had to use sacrifice. (i'm using ginseng)

    Taking fire damage:


    Taking ice damage:


    A custom fix will be appreciated!
     
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  6. Nov 18, 2018 #6
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    I think even with less HP a bish can tank stuff without HB but is a big deal. I'm glad I just got feedback from a gm hehe
     
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  7. Nov 19, 2018 #7
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    In the IMG file of HT left head, could this be the cause:
    [​IMG]
    PADamage means physical attack.

    Perhaps changing it to "MADamage" or "magic"...
     
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    I know what the issue is.

    It's about it being a custom change because Neckson never made it an ice elemental attack. Or so I think. Feel free to verify later versions
     
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    Still waiting for this to be fixed ;-;
    Everytime i wanted to HT as DK, i just think the left head screws my zerk (cuts dpm).
     
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  10. Dec 17, 2018 #10
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    or just pay attention and pot more. until then, you have to get used to it. its not that bad running as a DK even with this messed up.
    ive never had an issue with it. its a PSI atm lol
     
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    Died once by surprise and then you learn from it and survive, just I use more cheese as long as this head is up instead of roots that are more cost-efficient.
     
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    i died 7 times from it, cuz ima dumbass LOL
     
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    BUMP!
     
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    I wonder if this ever got fixed
     
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    found it weird why Invincible works on the Ice magic attack, when it's only supposed to work with horntail body. Invincible reduces the Ice magic attack damage by 30% and doesn't make sense. If it were to be fixed, Bishop would passively take a 50% damage reduction from that attack because of elemental resistance, means that at very high level and with HP from ring tiers a Bishop would be able to survive dispel+ice attack combo.

    The combo of dispel+Ice attack is a very big deal for bishop players, there's some workarounds to survive it like getting iframes (jumping into head, tanking wyverns) or HP washing. Otherwise bishops just die and get frustrated.

    So what's supposed to actually happen?
     
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    Checking current GMS files, it seems that Neckson took the design choice to keep the "ice" attack a Physical Attack and not "fix" it to be a Magical Attack. Therefor it will be marked as Not a Bug and it will remain as a Physical Attack.
     
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  17. Mar 10, 2020 #17
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    The fact that Neckson did smth wrong doesn't mean we have to tho does it
     
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    This is in the report bugs section. If you feel it should be changed then you need to make a suggestion thread on forums, if it wasn't done yet.
     
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