Nerf Demolition IED, Reduce Super Transform uptime, or list it as a MapleLegends feature

Agreed on all points. Either way I don't think Bucc multi-attack should be as relevant in this discussion since it seems even with how powerful multi-attack presents itself there are incredibly few players actually dipping into it. There are other aspects of a Bucc's kit that have a more immediate and widespread impact on the server's meta than their use as a multi-attacker.

 

What do you guys think about removing the SI + BOOSTER buff combo?

 

Colossal nerf to warriors who are already in a poor spot, and marksmen who also don't need a nerf. Would rather see a nerf that only affects Buccs.

 

If im not wrong, we are all working with hypothesis here. I just think that IED is part of demo and changing buccs aspeed by removing SI + BOOSTER seems a more natural / less drastic approach.

 

Wouldn't this just make SI useless? What would the point of SI be at this point?

 

Make SI the only viable aspeed bucc skill at end game and dont allow it to stack with BOOSTER. This will indirectly decrease the dpm.

 

But then SI is just doing what Booster is doing. There's no point in SI even existing at this point. It's just a replacement for Booster.

This will also decrease the DPM of all 3 warrior classes, Corsairs, and Marksmen. Why would you choose this option, which has massive collateral damage to other classes, than just removing IED from Demo if you want to nerf Bucc damage?

 

SI wont be nerfed and will still be used as the main buff since its a party buff. The one that will be replaced is the booster.

 

How is it a party buff if it doesn't do anything? It offers the exact same buff as Booster.

 

Okay it feels like my point isn't getting across so let me try to sum up two potential changes in a very easy-to-understand bullet-point list


On top of this, SI now becomes irrelevant as a party buff since every class can simply just cast Booster on themselves. There is no point in really using SI except it has a slightly longer duration at higher ranks.

On the off-chance you mean removing Knuckle Booster entirely, here's what that looks like



Bear in mind this is also accompanied by a QoL nerf because your attacks are now slower and you're now stuck in longer animations.

Now please explain to me why you want the right column more than the left column?

 

Removing IED would have more of an impact on higher level bosses, where buccs are already more valued right? in that case, this nerf would be less impactful to lower level buccs compared to flat out dmg nerf, which is probably good

 

traditional mmo dicates that carry classes have damage and no utility
and support classes have utility with poorer damage.
bucc is the outlier here with damage and utility

 

It would mostly impact PB, Toad, BGA, Anego, and Samurai (20% or more DPM loss if IED is removed). For your average player the effects are much smaller but still significant (up to 10% in things like HT or 5% in Zak). Assuming my napkin math estimates are correct, anyways, it's a significant change even for non-endgame content.

 

The original intention of the IED was probably because demolition was meant to be used in short spurts and not as spammable, which would make sense.

In this server the delay between demolition is shortened by a huge degree and ST uptime is increased alot too, amplifying the benefit of this IED.

 

If the consensus is that either bucc damage or utility needs to be tuned down, then hitting their damage makes much more sense to me.

Utility creates interesting interactions for the individual player and between players, whereas changing damage just shifts you forwards or backwards along the gear treadmill.

There's already a shortage of meaningful skill expression in vanilla maplestory and the further a class gets from holding down a single button, the better.

 

Talking about the identity of the bucc, I can mention a server that totally messed this up (r0yals), causing the bucc to always stay in ST, the bubble loads very quickly in single target, and snatch with Dstrike was a strong cleave, I believe the opposite of this is bucc's identity, using more of the combos

 

throwing in wdef formulas 7yrs after.