Remove member-capped for manon map or limit the mapowner's right

+1 to removing cap.

Most of the time there aren't even 5 people that need manon..

 

cc or get banned

 

Honestly though, why is the member-capped map even a thing to begin with

 

Actually why is this specific map member capped in the first place? How is it different from other regional boss map?

Is there any other map have the same member capped rule? Other than the mini-dungeons where only 1 party is allowed at the same time.

 

Manon's respawn time already got heavily reduced, what else do you guys want

 

AFAIK, if you're map owner, you can. It's up to the map owner to decide if he/she wants to allow other people in or take up all 6 slots. In any other map, the map owner can ask a player to leave if the player is disrupting. From my experience, if there's a slot, most players would allow me to hit and get the kill. If mapowner tells me it's full, even if some players are still on the way, I'd just leave.

And that's because the map owner decides that it is fine. I'm assuming you're saying you went ahead and hit manon (hopefully with permission of the map owner) then afk until they killed it so you get your kill.

I mean you can try, but manon respawns in like 2 hours? I doubt you can keep going at it for long.

I mean.. in most maps I would think a player afking in your map and "not causing mess" would not be breaking any rules. However, what I understand from the updated ToS is that, the problem is if the map owner of the manon map has not given you the permission to hit (& get your kill), because a friend is on the way, and you go ahead anyway, hit and afk. You taking up a slot and not allowing said friend to come in. Now that wouldn't be "not causing mess", would it?

It used to be that you need to collect manon's cry as part of the HT prequest. I'm not 100% sure but I think manon's cry isn't a guaranteed drop(?) and thus there wasn't enough manon to go around, I guess. It was then changed to manon's kill rather than cry, so you'll only need to at least hit once and somebody else can kill manon and still complete the prequest. So essentially allowing up to 6 people to clear their quest with 1 manon.

 

I've heard of several instances where people with mapowner ask others to leave by claiming someone else is coming, but then they proceed to kill the manon without a full map, effectively excluding those they asked to leave. I believe this type of toxic behavior is what OP is asking to be regulated against.

Edit:

My personal take on this issue - mapowner status on Manon and Griffey should only lend claim to the drops (and maybe exp). The kill itself should be on a first-come, first-served basis. I think it's a much larger grievance to bar people from clearing their quest. Holding a Manon alive for 15 minutes while waiting for 5 guild members to boat over from Ludi is a ridiculous practice that has become normalized. If we shifted the policy to a first-come first-served basis, it would allow for a much organic culture of hunting and killing Manon, which sits nicely with the recent Manon timer change. This would also allow for people to communicate and compromise with each other, which also yields organic community growth.

 

5-6 has safe spots while Manon does not (while it's spawned). I believe this makes hoarding maps much harder.

It doesn't matter what map you're in, if you enter a map (that's owned by somebody else) and the first thing you do is use an AOE ability, the first response you're going to get is "cc".
And quite frankly, this is not true (at least in my experiences). Most of the time, people enter the map, see Manon, and ask if they can either get a hit or get help for their job advancement BEFORE attacking. Because they have common courtesy.

this would 100% be a disruption of gameplay, and I'm certain a GM would intervene, if available.

I'm a firm believer that the game is only as toxic as you make it out to be. If you politely ask for a Manon hit, more often than not, they'll gladly allow it. On the off chance that they do require all 5 extra slots in the map, you should give them the benefit of the doubt and go to the 7 other channels the server has to offer.

Also, to those that may have skipped over this:

I think this means the map needs to already be full for the mapowner to request you to leave. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Overall, I believe this is a great change/clarification in regards to Manon. There are too many instances where people feel entitled to a Manon hit, and would just come in, attack and then afk without asking. This is a way more severely underhanded practice that has become normalized and I'm glad it has somewhat gotten addressed.

 

You can just hold aggro on a tanky char, draw manon to one side, and afk on the other side.

I've seen this happen quite a few times, maybe not the majority of the time but defs a non-negligible amount.

Does it matter if it's not full though? Don't underestimate the sweaties of ML, most have several high level chars and it's not that much work to just bring them over. You could even split it with a friend, each of you bring 3 mules. Then once the map is has 5/6 people you can ask the person to leave.

 

Replace Griffey with Manon then barf the "Secret scroll" from 10 mils to 100 mils, 1000 mils for magician class. There you go 1 arrow three leaves.