Warrior Warrior Damage Comparison [Neo Tokyo vers]

Based on your calculations, do you think NT spears will ever get buffed?

 

paladin so op o-o

 

Imagine every class getting buffed from NT but drks are still forced to rely on gachapon for their end game weapon SeemsGood. Good data tho I would be curious on the numbers for PSB (another random weapon drks have to rely on SeemsGood) vs the NT polearm.

Edit: Here's what I got for PSB

 

At least for polearms they have a theoretical alternative in Crimson Arcglaive SeemsGood

 

I'd like to know a bit more about the numbers used, because a couple things popped out with my initial glance over things. Like how Dark Knights actually have 80% mastery, as they get an passive +20% from Beholder. For calculating minimum damage as well, no mastery is truly 60%, as that figure is multiplied by .9, which is a weird design choice on Neckson's part but oh well. It would make mastery 54% for Heroes/Paladins and 72% for Dark Knights.[Edit: the 54% part looks correct in the formulas, but Dark Knights are still lacking the Beholder mastery]

[Another small nitpick is that Brandish deals damage to 3 targets like Crusher does, but that doesn't really effect the posted numbers]

Is any information known about the order of operations for SE as well? I had assumed that it came after skill damage and before relevant multipliers, like turning 1.7 from Crusher into 3.1 at a 15% rate, before being multiplied by Berserk to become either 3.4 or 6.2. I assumed that ACA and the ele charges did the same for Brandish and Blast. Is that the case?

And was mw20 used in the calculation? I noticed it was set at 1062 str, but a fully geared level 200 should have somewhere in the ballpark of 1200 str after mw20.

 

I'd imagine zerk would be the first thing that gets added into the calculation, if we follow ayumilove's damage calculation formula (that's when ACA and ele bonuses get added). SE would be added later, when crit chance/damage is rolled/added to the result.

I'm not sure why the numbers presented are gelt no echo with perfect gear. Sounds odd to assume all of that and not be 200 (thus have echo). I'd imagine the non-att pot numbers would be the ones to compare, as att pots just arent used as much in today's game.

Sources used:
https://ayumilovemaple.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/maplestory-formula-compilation/

 

Hey, by ''perfect gear'' in the 1h NT sword, you used a 21att shield or a 30att one?

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Avf90PmirnFUtxbqNSIgkuqtRb8wv0UX/view

Some of your questions might be answered from his spreadsheet

 

A value of 1 from zerk just doesn't seem to add up with the numbers I see in casting, and I sort of just worked backwards from there in trying to understand how the damage is calculated. Maybe it's 2? I don't think I've ever checked non-zerk DPM and compared it to zerk DPM, but if it's slightly more than 2x damage then it would explain things better. If it's exactly 2 then it would be multiplicative.

The crit lines are also bigger than you'd expect on a Dark Knight as well, with their largest being just under twice the normal max hit. I'll probably do some tests to see, but if SE is applied after zerk then I'm not sure how I get such large crits.

 

DPMs with no SE/no SI/Beholder's 15 att

8.7m without zerk, 17.45m with zerk, vs. 3 targets for best average.

Zerk seems to just act like a flat 2x multiplier. I feel like it would be a lot further off with any of the expected additive values.



I also spent a couple minutes trying to get screenshots of the highest damage, with SE it came to 63k and without 34.5k.

63k / 34.5k = 1.826
6.2 / 3.4 = 1.823

It seems to fit with my theory that SE is a 1.4 value added on top of Crusher's 1.7, before being multiplied by 2 with zerk.

Now we just need a Hero and Paladin to test.

 

Not a DK main, but that's how I understand the crit formula to work, 170% base with the +140% crit from SE for a total of 310%. Zerk is then paplied afterwards.
Combo Orbs and Charges should apply the same way.
And somewhat related, that's why Barrage's final hit is able to hit so high too. 280% base, +140% from SE, +160% from Stun Mastery, for a total of 580%, and then a nice big 4x damage on the final hit. JUICY.

 

hey friend se only increases my dmg by 10k to 15k max

 

Purely anecdotal observations: final damage output appears to be x2 for berserk. DPM check at toad with and without smoke seems to back that up too.

 

I am starting to think that the order of operations on AyumiLove is actually wrong. I did more testing and things tend to line up better with some of the math I do, at least when it comes to Dark Knights.

I did a few DPMs about a week ago with SE/SI/echo/bear, total str 1138, dex 80, and 188 attack total. It resulted in these:

23.7mil, 23.6mil, and 23.5mil.
Per target average: 7.866mil DPM

I then plugged the numbers into the calculator:

And it popped out with this:

Last one is the applicable number. So it showed 7.1mil vs. the 7.866mil average that I actually got in testing.

Then I ran the math manually with how I believe the damage to be calculated:

(1138(str) x 5(primary multiplier) x .86(average mastery) + 80(dex)) * 188(attack) / 100(attack scaling) x 1.91(Crusher adjusted to be simplified with SE) x 2(Berserk) x 3(Number of lines) x 74(Attacks per minute)

It's fairly close overall. 7.866mil vs. 7.93mil is about a 1% difference overall, enough that it could be explained by marginal defense on the dummies or just bad luck. Either way some numbers for heroes/paladins would be neat to see as well.