About Shaolin maps balance. Funny reaction its always welcome.

The real question is why does 5-6 F have a safe spot to place mules yet 1-2F and 3-4F have none?....

 

It should be stated clearly in the patch notes, regardless of it was a bug or not; it's such an easy thing to add in and provides so much more clarity as to what is actually happening. Stating that you don't want to add it because it is a bug makes no sense to me.

Example:

Reduced number of gold monks at 5-6F from 8 back down to 7 (bug fix from October patch)
Reduced number of silver monks at 5-6F from 12 back down to 10 (bug fix from October patch)

 

Hmmm I think it would be great if the shelves and flag/poster could return to being actual platforms again. This applies for both 1-2 and 3-4, creating a safe spot in each map.

5-6 already has a safe spot

For 7F, from what i see it seems really hard to create a safe spot on the table unless you change the aggro of the fishes.
But i noticed theres actually the same flag/poster thing high up on 7f. Is it possible to make that same flag/poster an actual platform, and add like a teleporter at the pillar to go up there?




Nise Would this be a viable option?

 

Personally I just don't enjoy multiclienting so I just don't bother with it, but that's probably where training begins to suffer as to get the really good exp, someone has to have it. It begins to be a bigger pain when you also need to take care of the HS, and the lack of a safespot nudges people closer to the mindset that you should just be leeching instead.

You generally don't see players partying with bishops while attacking, the best maps tend to either prefer the mage or prefer the attacker so it would tend to push towards muling the buff. In third job the classes are mostly on equal footing but once 4th job starts you see a lot more specializing of the classes, between single target DPS, cleave, and map clears. A safespot to the buff would be good but alternatives to it would make the game seem less clunky overall, as the map wiper probably isn't the best choice to partner with in some circumstances and they're the one with the buff needed for training with partners.

Maybe what it needs is a bit of radical custom content, say a short(~5-15 minutes) daily quest available to level 81+ priests/bishops that allows them to commoditize their HS. As an example let's say you accept the quest, and the NPC can send you into a dungeon where you have to kill X mobs(Undead of some sort, filled with spiritual power) and collect X drop(A vessel to hold the power), and to finish the quest you turn in the drop and pay a fee(~1-2mil mesos) to have the quest NPC condense the holy energy into a tradeable buff item that gives the character using it Holy Symbol for 1 hour, much like the Valentines Basket or a personalized GM Buff. It would allow for players who have HS mules to use their HS in a new way if they choose, allow upcoming priests to make a little money by selling it, and allow for other players without HS mules to purchase HS so they can train with friends efficiently. The fee would be the main drawback, leaving HS mules cheaper to operate while still encouraging priests to party with folks, but otherwise having HS available would be a good start to leveling the playing field between training in 3rd job and leech, and for convenience training in 4th job.

 

I'm not sure if aggro/mob movement is the same across ML, but Shaolin mobs are restricted in their movement depending on their spawn positioning(?).
So a couple safe spots I've found at 1-2F are the two bottom corners, and for 3-4F, I think the top left corner is a safe position for mules.

I'm not sure how these safe spots interact in scenarios where the Bronze Staffman falls from the upper platform to the bottom, or at 3-4F, if a bronze Staffman climbs the stairs to the 4th floor.
That said, it would be nice for all floors to have dedicated safe spots because the current ones might be a bit finicky.