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Archers should have increased range

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by ploob, Sep 10, 2022.

  1. ploob
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    ploob Snail

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    As it stands, Archers have the same range as NLs and Corsairs. I feel like it'll be great for Archers to have increased range for the following reasons:

    1) Thematically, it makes sense. Some of the main characteristics of archers are precision and accuracy; Crossbowmen even have Sniper and Marksman as their 3rd and 4th job titles. It only follows that one of their core traits should be their range. Both BMs and MMs also have to use both hands to attack, and have to stand rooted to the spot while attacking (unless you jump+shoot, which is inconsistent and takes way too much effort even if done properly).

    On the other hand, NLs and Corsairs are freely mobile and can jump while attacking. This also makes sense given that claws and pistols are one-handed weapons that should allow for this kind of mobility. What doesn't make sense, is how throwing a shuriken with one hand can match the range of a well-aimed shot from a bow/xbow.

    2) For gameplay balancing reasons. It is undisputed that in an ideal situation, the DPMs of NLs and Corsairs would exceed those of Archers by a significant margin. Giving Archers increased range would be a slight buff that would not affect this standing but give Archers a unique identity without resorting to mere damage increase.

    Archers also do not have the high avoidability that NLs have, and often get hit a lot more in boss fights. NLs have the benefit of flash jump if they do get hit, to help them reposition quickly, and can attack while jumping, while Archers have to scramble to reposition before they can attack again. These issues significantly gimp the damage of Archers, some of which could be balanced by them having increased range.

    3) It'll simply make Archers more fun to play
     
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  2. Toon
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    Toon Capt. Latanica

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    1.Archers can jump while attacking and it`s pretty possible to do it consistently. You need to use sticky keys from windows.
    2. MM has one of the highest dpm in pink bean body.
    3. MM end game dpm can get pretty close to NL in HT, around 1m-1.5m difference with the same kind of gear. However, archers have SE/
    4. Archers are already pretty balanced

    A ht run as a MM https://youtu.be/gQlJ5kmwtQ8
     
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    Also archers do have slightly longer range than NLs (no idea about sairs tho)
     
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    HimeHam Pac Pinky

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    Corsairs share two problems that archers have.
    1. Corsairs cannot attack midair and rely on sticky key jumping to reposition. (1st - 3rd job has midair attacking just not 4th)
    2. Corsairs also have atrocious avoid chance, but while mounted your speed and jump is reduced to base and you cannot grab ropes (this patch makes this much less of a problem since they fixed the shitting bug :heartbeat:)

    To be fair though Corsairs have great mobility with Recoil Shot / Wings, and freefire DPM is pretty unmatched. Plus having little dependency on external buffs makes Corsair a very well rounded class for having some of the best damage on the server. Also I probably should mention that battleship attacks have no minimum range :p.
     
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    lv1crook Capt. Latanica

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    Archers already have more range lol. It’s not much, but they do have more
     
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    Yes unlimited range, but only if they also get dropoff Devilish
     
  8. TORONTOTOKYO
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    TORONTOTOKYO Windraider

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    5line strafe for BMs when?
     

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