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Add a Nerfed Horntail's Ab T-Shirt

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by zeroxlr, Sep 20, 2021.

Nerfed Horntail's Ab T-Shirt

  1. yes! omg hot!

  2. no... ew

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  1. zeroxlr
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    Look at these pristine set of 5 pack!

    Name: Horntail’s Ab T-Shirt
    ID: 1042243


    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01042243

    Now, imagine that it's NOT overpowered:

    version 1: still too strong
    upload_2021-9-19_22-51-21.png

    EDIT:
    version 2: nerfed a bit more
    -- in between lvl100 tops and lvl150 Timeless/Reverse
    -- an optional gear with roughly the same base stats as non-perf lvl80-100 tops
    -- wont make perfect lvl80-100 tops obsolete, just another option

    upload_2021-9-20_15-28-12.png

    EDIT:
    version3: nerfed a lot more

    horntail_ab_debuffed.JPG
    1. Increased the Stats and Level Requirements
    2. Nerfed the base stats and def/mdef more
    3. Non-tradable
    4. Drops only in Horntail at a reasonable rate.
    5. Replace Mana Elixir drops with the T-Shirt
    6. DEF/MDEF formula is being reworked

      (ML is a customized server, and i :heartbeat: the staff's hard work and considerations!!!)
    https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/maplelegends-2022-development-roadmap.45522/

    Note: Timeless and Reverse gears are a whole lot stronger than this by a wide margin after upgrading.

    Thanks! :heart:
     
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  2. lv1crook
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    I approve, but only under the condition that a tooltip be added that reads, “I beat Horntail, but all I got was this lousy T-shirt…”
     
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    Your proposed nerf still makes it a very strong top with not only too much defensive stats but also normal stats are on the high end imo.

    For example you can get a 15 stat (STR, DEX, LUK) top with no stat requirements vs a 9 total stat Osfa suit with 130 DEX requirement for shadowers.

    Overall an idea that has potential though
     
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    S>afk horntail shirt service 70m
     
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    I saw that too. In particular this T-Shirt would be only mildly beneficial for most classes whom are in transition towards obtaining their Timeless/Reverse Gear.

    Also that's why maybe a higher level requirement could be better than it's original level 115, since maybe a level 130 requirement is far away enough from level 80-100 gears and Timeless/Reverse gears level 150.

    This high level requirement of level 130 seems to be appropriate for the stats the T-Shirt provides. Unless a higher level requirement of level 140 could be better?

    //---------------------------------------------------------------------//
    As for defense:

    Average Range of DEF level 80-100 = roughly about 80

    Average Range of DEF level 130 = We can assume roughly 120 is okay to have. Except for it's MDEF.

    - How about if it has less DEF/MDEF? Maybe around 90WDEF and 90MDEF instead?

    Average Range of DEF level 150 = roughly about 130
    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01052161
    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01052159
    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01052163
    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01052157

    Reverse Taragon: Weapon Def: 196 (186 - 206)
    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01052160

    //---------------------------------------------------------------------//
    As for the basic stats of Equipment of lower level gears:

    Unless people want a little bit more options for other stats... since if they want to attack harder and get cheaper perfect gear, then it's as easy as farming level 80-100 gears like everyone usually does.

    Warriors
    Black Neos: https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01040122

    Bishops (luk) - INT Bishops wont be needing this at all
    Red Bazura: https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01051103

    Bowman

    Red Arzuna: https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01050108

    Pirates
    Red Belly Duke: https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01052131

    Thief
    Green Osfa: https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01040115
    Purple Osfa: https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01040117

    Also, Thief will still need high DEX 150 due to the Dragon Khanjar shield requirements. The stats requirements won't matter too much. Since Osfa Topwear is only DEX 130 which is less than 150.
    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01092049

    //---------------------------------------------------------------------//
    Stat Requirements:

    Would 30/30/30/30 requirement for the Horntail's Ab T-Shirt be feasible?

    Since Egged Horntail Necklace gives +20/20/20/20:

    upload_2021-9-20_15-12-32.jpeg


    //---------------------------------------------------------------------//


    I guess... in what other ways could make this T-Shirt be potentially good to go as a drop?

    upload_2021-9-20_15-28-12.png

    I think with a few more fixes and changes, it's stats and requirements could be pretty balanced.

    Or is this version too nerfed or still too buff?
     
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    Maybe as an alternative, there could a STR/DEX version and an INT/LUK version, similar to Scar/Targa Helms.

    EDIT: if an int/luk version existed, it could give HP as well to make it viable for Bishops and late washers.
     
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    EDIT:
    Something like this?

    Is the scaling for the different versions are using 4 (3-5), this okay?

    -- Or would 5 (4-6) be better for the different versions?

    -- This is if different versions would make the T-Shirt more feasible or not?

    horntail_ab_str.JPG
    horntail_ab_dex.JPG
    horntail_ab_int.JPG
    horntail_ab_luk.JPG

    Yes/No on different versions... or is the basic nerfed version better?

    Note:
    Targa has no HP, but Scarlion does have HP... only a little bit.

    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01003023
    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01003024

    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=01003026
    https://maplelegends.com/lib/equip?id=1003025
     
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    The main issue IMO is that it could potentially become a meta item since it's all class and has no stat req. Also it could be OP on archers and pirates simply because they have no top/bottom but could very much use the extra 4 slots from having top+ bot because of all the stats they could get from scrolling top/bot. I think this item is a little bit too custom to be THAT good. Making it untradable or reducing the slots could possibly avoid this issue though.
     
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    I don't really get what you're trying to accomplish. Is it supposed to be viable end game gear, do you want it for cosmetic purpose or do you want it to boost HT drops. Or a bit of everything or some other reason?

    Pretty much all variants you shared seem very strong and I'd really rather have the regular job specific gear be best in slot rather than common gear (especially when it's tradeable).
     
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    Isn't this just going to have the same effect that Zak Helm has? Al helmets in the game over level 50 are entirely obsolete and forgotten. Let's not pull the same story for all tops.
     
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    I think its an ambitious suggestion that is too custom for ML. Any changes you're proposing are egregious and too far-fetched to ever see the light in this server.
     
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    Maybe if it had 0 slots it could be OK, but that also makes it nearly useless.
     
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    I'm just throwing shit out there at this point. Make it beginner only.
     
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    After reading everyone's thoughts and making edits accordingly...

    I think Horntail's Ab T-Shirt is a viable and balanced topwear alternative, before everyone gets their Timeless/Reverse Overalls.


    Horntail's Ab T-Shirt stats can roughly the same as non-perfect lvl80-100 topwears (only the DEF/MDEF are slightly better), this gives another option for gearing.

    Also, it'd still be viable to farm perfect topwear equipment drops rather than going to HT.


    Here's a side-by-side comparison with overalls and topwears in the lvl80-100 range:

    - Overall 10% scrolls are +5 stats, and Topwear 10% scrolls are +3 stats


    horntail_ab_comparison.png


    B > AFK Horntail's Ab T-Shirt!
     
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    I love ya but I really don't like the idea of adding something that just feels custom / too far ahead of v62 just because you want 'endgame bossing gear' on a hypothetical beginner.

    In general I do not believe we should be making changes just to accomodate very niche playstyles.

    Also none of the revisions address the fact that an allstat top would be best in slot for Shads by a long shot (a good chaos or two makes this pretty nuts)
     
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    I've been thinking, especially everyone's good insights with the amount of stats for a top, and survivability in general.
    • People didn't want such High All Stat Equips --> so I further reduced it
    • People said the the DEF/MDEF is too high --> so I reduced it further, since the DEF reformulation is coming out and ultimately its up to how the formula will be remade.
    • People didn't like how easy it is to equip --> so I added Stats Requirements

    https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/maplelegends-2022-development-roadmap.45522/

    With the new road map for Defense reworking, maybe Horntail Abs T-Shirt can actually become a reality!

    upload_2022-5-19_14-34-38.png


    horntail_ab_debuffed.JPG

    horntail_ab_comparison_debuffed.png
     
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    I’d rather it be a nx cover so you can properly show off the horntail abs
     
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    35 all stats is easy to reach with just Zhelm + HTP (which you will already have by the time you get this) and increasing the stat requirements further would just make it hard to equip (and probably not worth it).
     
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    Level 120, untradable, 80/80 wdef/mdef, and 3-5 all stats is probably completely fine and balanced. I don't think most people would value the 5 extra stats it could provide in an ideal situation if it was untradable but looting a perfect one would be nice for certain jobs.
     
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    Bump.
     
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