Magician Bishoper's bishop guide for new players

DellyCassey · Sep 11, 2024

Lukless bishop

you get about extra 150 int added once you reach lvl 180 At MOST. but with MW 30, and lvl. 150 lv. 180 equips you get additional 200+ int added. and there really isn't much difference. exceptions are dexless thief because equips for thieves are different than bishops and stats are very VERY little.

only being able to put on 10/70+ magician equips puts you at disadvantage in the game.

luk-added bishop (recommended),

once you get to lvl 150. you get timeless prelude, and timeless + reverse items. things start to change. which gives you 2k hp and mp+. that's 30k mp added per 15 attacked by bosses.

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE WEAPON DEF+ AND MAGIC DEF+ BOOSTS AND MP+ HP+ OPTIONS.

not to mention RIP penalty is also pretty decent. because at lvl 140 you're REQUIRED to grind solo, not as a leech due to 5b+ leeching meso requirements. and luk+ bishop GETS HUGE exp boost and lvl up grinding from soloing penalties. whereas lukless gets SACK LOADS of penalties over counters.

And that's only about 150 int difference at lvl 180. why grind 180 lvls for just 150 when you get put on nice equips and maple warrior + options and still get 200+ int.

Per damage, that is about 500 weapon def + magic defense with HIGH lvl equips, and additional 100+ MP boost from overalls, that is about 600 - 1000 MP + HP per boss damage. you get about 500 boss attacks per runs, and that's 500 x 2000 = 100,000 extra HP and MP you're getting with lvl 150 lv. 180 equips and weapons. It is true you get 150 more int at lvl 180, but I'd rather have 100K extra MP and HP than just 150 more int. And magicians only get 10K MP at most, and 1.8K HP at lvl 140 in the ENTIRE game. so its 10K MP (lukless bishop) VS 100K MP (luk added bishop) at lvl 150+. You're already at about 1000 INT at his stage, so its really 1000 INT vs. 1150. not much difference.

For magician 1 MP could mean life or death with magic guard. and 1 MP DOES MATTER A LOT ESPECIALLY with bosses. can't exaggerate this enough how having more MP means everything for magicians.

This is Bishoper's guide. I hope you liked it. I'm currently at lvl 140. and this guide is made from my own experiences with Maplestory since ~2003.

just add 3+ luk higher than your current magician level.

Having 70/70 equips, and being able to put those on PUTs you at HIGH advantages in this game vs. 10/70+ magician equips. scrollings, purchasings, in-game mesos, and ESPECIALLY scrolling items yourself, and APPEARANCES EXPLORING for explorers. otherwise you'll be stuck with bathrobe, and maple shield the rest of the game. waiting on someone to sell Maple Shield for 60m when items are scarce, like one or two, or bathrobe to see someone sells it or not. When you can look at the other 70+ luk equips and luk-bound items.

at lvl 200, you'll be stuck with lvl 10 bathrobe, and lvl 20 maple shield. sure lvl 30 with boost yeh, but that's about 300K MP and HP options you blew up and wasted. in the long run that's 3million HP and MP you're wasting to complete 0 ignoring high lvl options.

Skill Build is on the way. taking some time. more update on SP AP build too.

Now lvl. 163 is the best spot because you get elemental staffs (5 - 8) which you get additional 60 magic attack (high scrolled staffs)with luk items that luckless bishops can't with luk-bound equips. so you gain back the 150 int you lost, so 90 int is the only difference. and MW30 on 90 INT is only like 3 more INT in comparison. And you keep the 100K HP and MP Buff from boss damages, and monster attacks.

Also Timeless/Reverse Equips (lukbound items) and items unlike maple items and lvl 10 - 30 magician equips, give additional 50 INT+ as clean non-scrolled at lvl 150.

ex. Timeless Myst Blue (9 INT+ 10 slots), shoes 5 INT, gloves 6 - 7 INT 7 slots. and so on,,

that's already about 110 INT gaining back than 153 INT that you lost going lukless at 150.

And 70/70+ Equips, like I said giving HIGH advantages in the game, are REALLY REALLY easy to scroll and you can keep destroying them than spending 60m for each item. whereas replacing its just 1m or 2m for destroyed maple shield [timeless reverse].

Timeless Prelude

that's about another 10 INT+ 10 slots. They're REALLY ReaLLY easy to scroll for one destroyed maple shield, you can destroy 30 of timeless/reverse equips. that's 30x more chance. And luk-bound items EASYY TO SCROLL. EASY EASY EASY, A LOT MORE EASY because of higher chances at same price.

Bishopers' guide on luk-added bishop. I hope you liked it. ^^

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Its really about 40 INT difference in the ENTIRE game with lukless vs luk-added bishop, at level 200.

Luminous Memory Mail (lukless equip, but still added)
(Untradeable) + 20 INT

***If you have rlly rlly good and HIGH-higher scrolled equips and weapons, luk-added bishop can ACTUALLY BEAT poorly and normally funded lukless bishop by A LOT OF INT and damages at this point. lvl163 - lvl 200.

Elemental Staff 7 Req Level: 163 Req Stats: LUK 165
Weapon Att.: 108
Magic Att.: 178,

230 Magic ATT, 100k on market for scrolling (about blue). [luk added bishop weapon at lvl 200]

VS.

Elemental Wand 7 Req Level: 130 Req Stats: -
Weapon Att.: 92
Magic Att.: 145

[lukless bishop weapon at lvl 200], 500m on market for scrolling (about blue).

VS.
100+ additional magic att.

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Conclusion: leave LUK to 165 by default as made by creators of the game. and that is the most luk you'll ever put in. and everything else to INT+ on AP. So at lvl 200, you have 165 luk, and everything else put into INT+.

more update AP SP still waiting. loading..

Signature · Sep 11, 2024

I'm having a stroke?

Nightz · Sep 11, 2024

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It's cool to explore luk options as a mage and definitely has potential to be viable but I would urge people to do some research on the topics before writing guides on the forums.

Cura Annonae · Sep 12, 2024

LMAO

QQWWEERRTTYY · Sep 12, 2024

Such a creative guide! I'd like to ask a few questions.

1. If you have high mdef, how is the damage difference between full timeless geared mage and lukless based mage when using Mana Reflection. Is it negilgible or remarkable?

2. Is it easier to make 1600 tma with mw30+wizard elixir on timeless build(W/O ECHO) than lukless build? Also, please compare the cost between two builds.

3. Please give some details about timeless build(how leveling gears give bonus stats. maximum, minimim, medium, average)

KurayamiHS · Sep 12, 2024

what a creative guide with incorrect infomation inside writen by a only level 140 bishop! (140 for bishop is very very easy to reach.)
yes, luk mage can be greater than lukless but why are they so rare?
please please please do not mislead new player by your innocent.

may i ask you how much tma you are going for?

Chrisss · Sep 12, 2024

KurayamiHS said: ↑

what a creative guide with incorrect infomation inside writen by a only level 140 bishop! (140 for bishop is very very easy to reach.)
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This is a very good example of the blind trying to lead the blind.

While your experience may prove knowledge based on what you have gone through, others that go through the exact same experience will think otherwise.

As Nightz has mentioned, it is best to research on topics before posting a guide. Getting information from late-end game Luk mages and Lukless mages will be a reliable source to justify the comparison.

Alyosha · Sep 12, 2024

here's damage taken with 1720 magic defense, there were a lot of rolls from 1330-1410 but this is a decent average

Honestly was taking a lot of hits to look for a decent average with 1821 magic defense instead and I gotta say if it makes a difference at this level it's maybe 10-20 damage? It seemed very slightly lower, though I don't actually think I can assert that 100 magic defense did anything, maybe if I were looking for min or max hits over an extended period of time I could say for certain.

lmao

Alyosha · Sep 12, 2024

I didn't like the mediocre testing so I stayed quite a bit longer getting hit for the sake of cool forum stickers. It was sort of a pain in the ass as I recalled there being a rather small effect that base stats bring to the table for damage reduction, so I had to sort it into 3 tests. The first 2 tests are with and without mw20, increasing both stats and magic defense by 101. For the third test I removed my Timeless Pendant but kept mw20 on, so the stats are similar and the only difference being the magic defense.

Magic Defense - Total stats - Minimum spotted hit over several minutes
1821 - 1485 - 1307
1720 - 1384 - 1324
1556 - 1391 - 1348

Looks like you need roughly 7 magic defense to reduce damage by 1. I'd try to compare it to OP's numbers but I'm too lost to even understand

QQWWEERRTTYY · Sep 12, 2024

Alyosha said: ↑

I didn't like the mediocre testing so I stayed quite a bit longer getting hit for the sake of cool forum stickers. It was sort of a pain in the ass as I recalled there being a rather small effect that base stats bring to the table for damage reduction, so I had to sort it into 3 tests. The first 2 tests are with and without mw20, increasing both stats and magic defense by 101. For the third test I removed my Timeless Pendant but kept mw20 on, so the stats are similar and the only difference being the magic defense.

Magic Defense - Total stats - Minimum spotted hit over several minutes
1821 - 1485 - 1307
1720 - 1384 - 1324
1556 - 1391 - 1348

Looks like you need roughly 7 magic defense to reduce damage by 1. I'd try to compare it to OP's numbers but I'm too lost to even understand
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didnt mean POG BISHOP to be cooked soz

anyway, when bishop is muled in low lv boss(pap/rav/ellin/zal/krex), we usually use elixir and ginseng(white one?) or plixir on high lv boss(ht, pb maybe?) so magic defense is negligible.

Also, i dont want to do math min-maxing MR damage XD

fartsy · Sep 12, 2024

i don't see anything wrong. new players are as free to follow this guide as they are to walk off a cliff

DellyCassey · Sep 13, 2024

Nightz said: ↑

It's cool to explore luk options as a mage and definitely has potential to be viable but I would urge people to do some research on the topics before writing guides on the forums.
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This is MY guide on bishop, please do not show more of your private posts or what you think on this. this is MY post. I understand you like to show that you're moderator on other people, and other people don't get to do that here. Like I said, this is Bishoper's guide, not yours to begin with as a topic. thanks.

Astra · Sep 13, 2024

i was keen to buy a +7 bwg scrolled with 60% gloves for magic which i saw in discord earlier this month, but now after reading your guide i think its no longer viable since i will lose lots of defence. I shall buy timeless from shops instead. Thank u for the helpful guide my friend

Nightz · Sep 13, 2024

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DellyCassey said: ↑

This is MY guide on bishop, please do not show more of your private posts or what you think on this. this is MY post. I understand you like to show that you're moderator on other people, and other people don't get to do that here. Like I said, this is Bishoper's guide, not yours to begin with as a topic. thanks.
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YOUR guide is filled with misinformation.

QQWWEERRTTYY · Sep 13, 2024

DellyCassey said: ↑

This is MY guide on bishop, please do not show more of your private posts or what you think on this. this is MY post. I understand you like to show that you're moderator on other people, and other people don't get to do that here. Like I said, this is Bishoper's guide, not yours to begin with as a topic. thanks.
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I am on your side. You are giting gud to make us roll-on-the-floor. Only few bishops are capable of writing highly detail-oriented creative luk bishop(timeless gears based) guide for mage. I respect your unique point of view that astonishes us who are normal braindead maplers. I cant wait for further state-of-the-art well written guide!

Cura Annonae · Sep 13, 2024

Ferluci · Sep 13, 2024

Thank you. i just deleted my 187 lukless bishop and will remake using your guide.

Kirisame · Sep 13, 2024

Thank you, I just realized how to spend all the excess NX on my 200 lukless bishop.
Btw, is pure LUK bishop a better mule in PB/HT?

Ainz · Sep 13, 2024

Let's evaluate the actual impact of hypothetical Wdef/Mdef gains on my lvl 16x Bishop:

Current Mdef: (mw20): 1310
Current Wdef: (mw20): 228

Comparing current lukless gear to timeless gear:

Overall: 20wdef, 17mdef -> 100wdef, 50mdef (+80wdef, +33 mdef)
Glove: 6wdef, 2mdef -> 50wdef, 17mdef (+44wdef, +15mdef)
Shoes: 30wdef, 11mdef -> 47wdef, 23mdef (+17wdef, +12mdef)
Shield: 10wdef, 9mdef -> 60wdef, 110mdef (+50wdef, +101mdef)
I'm not going to switch to Helm since you'd be an idiot if you did.

In total I'd gain (80+44+17+50)=191wdef and (33+15+12+101)=161 mdef.

Damage Reduced by Player Magic Defense

1 INT = 1 Magic Defense

Credits to Zerato:
Damage dealt = Magic Attack Damage^2 * rand(0.0075, 0.008) - (MDEF/4 + STR/28 + DEX/24 + LUK/20) * K
(K = 1.2 for magicians, = 1 for other classes)

Only the latter half here is responsible for the reduction in damage taken because of Mdef, so lets hone in on that. I'll disregard the changes to str/dex/luk since they would make the calculation unnecessarily convoluted and their effect will be minimal at best because of the division by 28/24/20.

Mdef first gets divided by 4, before then being multiplied by 1.2. This would also happen for the potential 161 mdef I'd gain. As such:
161/4 * 1.2 = 48

I'd get hit 48 damage less by switching my Oa/Gloves/Shield/Shoes to Timeless. If we're being very generous with the MDef gained through the TL equips leveling up, you could round this up to 60.

Damage Reduced by Player Physical Defense

Credits to Zerato:
Damage dealt = Physical Attack Damage^2 * rand(0.008, 0.0085) - WDEF*A - (WDEF - StandardPDD)*B

Where:
D (if CharacterLevel >= Mob Level) = 13/(13 + CharacterLevel - MobLevel)
D (if Character Level < Mob Level) = 1.3

C (for warriors) = STR/2800 + DEX/3200 + INT/7200 + LUK/3200
C (for everyone else) = STR/2000 + DEX/2800 + INT/7200 + LUK/3200

B (if your WDEF >= StandardPDD) = (C*28/45 + (CharacterLevel)*7/13000 + 0.196)
B (if your WDEF < StandardPDD) = D * (C + (CharacterLevel)/550 + 0.28)

A = C + 0.28

Magicians:
- Level 100: PDD = 266

Again, only the latter half of this formula is relevant for damage based on Wdef, so lets zoom in on it:
Essentially, the reduction in damage taken is WDEF*A + (WDEF - StandardPDD)*B
(We can change the - to a + here because both terms are subtracted from damage taken, so the reduction consists of both terms summed)

Term 1: WDEF*A:
A = C + 0.28
C (for mages) = Str/2000 + Dex/2800 + INT/7200 + Luk/3200
For my bishop, C would come out to 0.166
A = 0.166 + 0.28 = 0.446. This number wouldn't change after switching to Timeless, as the change in my stats would be insignificant given the division.

Term 2: (WDEF - StandardPDD)*B
For a mage over lvl 100, PDD = 266.

Old WDEF = 228
(WDEF - StandardPDD)*B -> (WDEF- 266)*B

B (if your WDEF < StandardPDD) = D * (C + (CharacterLevel)/550 + 0.28)
D (if CharacterLevel >= Mob Level) = 13/(13 + CharacterLevel - MobLevel)
->
B = 13/(13 + CharacterLevel - MobLevel) * (C + (CharacterLevel)/550 + 0.28)
Factoring in CharacterLevel = 163
B = 13/(13 + 163- MobLevel) * (C + (163)/550 + 0.28)
Factoring in a hypothetical mob level of 160 (HT)
B = 13/(13 + 163- 160) * (C + (163)/550 + 0.28)
B = (13/16) * (0.446 + (163/550) + 0.28)
B = (13/16) * (1.022)
B = 0.83
Plugging B back into the original formula:

(WDEF - StandardPDD)*B -> (WDEF - 266)*0.83
Plugging in WDEF = 228
(WDEF - StandardPDD)*B -> (228 - 266)*0.83 -> -31

New WDEF = 228+161 = 389
Unfortunately this sends us into a different branch of the calculation (since WDEF>StandardPDD), which can be seen below:

B (if your WDEF >= StandardPDD) = (C*28/45 + (CharacterLevel)*7/13000 + 0.196)
Factoring in CharacterLevel = 163
B = (C*28/45 + (163)*7/13000 + 0.196)
Factoring in C = 0.166
B = (0.166*28/45 + (163)*7/13000 + 0.196)
B = 0.387

(WDEF - StandardPDD)*B -> (WDEF - 266)*0.387
Plugging in WDEF = 389
(WDEF - StandardPDD)*B -> (389- 266)*0.387 -> 123*0.387 -> 47

In the old situation, our (lack of) WDEF would actually increase the damage taken by 31. In the new situation, our WDEF would reduce the damage taken by 47. This causes a staggering difference of 78 damage difference between my current lukless gear and the shiny timeless gear.

Yes, aesthetically it matters. However, the hundreds of thousands of HP/MP saved isn't really true.

DellyCassey said: ↑

And magicians only get 10K MP at most, and 1.8K HP at lvl 140 in the ENTIRE game
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Also I wanted to comment on this, did you not MP wash your bishop? You can be pretty close to 30k mp by lvl 140. Not saying this to flame you, just trying to help you get the most out of your class.

HV · Sep 13, 2024

Kirisame said: ↑

Thank you, I just realized how to spend all the excess NX on my 200 lukless bishop.
Btw, is pure LUK bishop a better mule in PB/HT?
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I was seriously considering it to upgrade my AFK HTP hospital
But would be bad idea if you consider genning (especially on PB) because no dmg. also LUK bsp can't replace main bsp in HT in case of emergency.

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