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Dark Knight bitching thread

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Alyosha, Nov 21, 2019.

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    Giving it a decent attack also comes at the cost of likely putting in base dex as well. If you're running a MoN then I'm not sure if it's really possible to reach 125 dex with just gear, at least not without also forsaking attack/str gear, like not using a Red Christmas Sock or by wearing a dex overall.

    If I went for optimizing that dex I don't think I could get over 100 from gear. It means I'd need to stick in another 20-25 on dex, which probably runs close to 4 attack worth of strength missing. Currently Dark Knights can just optimize everything around attack, and for the most part they're still good. That's what I put into consideration when I put up 110-112 attack max, because after accounting for the dex needed it's likely around 106-108 attack compared to a Sky Ski, along with having good synergism with other dex equips that Dark Knights currently forget about.
     
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    i agree with all these suggestions, pls buff my hb mules before they all quit and im forced to play shadower again instead of night lord
     
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    I think you guys are missing a point, even if they made the speargrave like 105att (max clean) with 125base dex req, it would still be worth it to farm it out.

    The point of my suggestion is to have a farmable bossing spear, the dps increase would be and should be minimal. 125dex while keeping your base dex really low isn't hard.

    I'm not trying to buffs drks outright, I just think giving the ability to farm a perfect weapon with the same speed as sky ski's would be the fair thing to the players who don't have the mesos to boom perfect spears that they have to buy or get in gach.

    Also extensive testing should be done to make sure said spear isn't nutty or shit.
     
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    Im all for more potion options.
     
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    Make it so that DK lower hp =more dmg high risk reward gameplay
    Make it so that dk can stay 1hp for 10seconds
     
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    bump. LF> triangle sushi in ninja castle NPC
     
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    Lets be honest skiis aren't as bad as Crushed Skulls back in the day, be glad your weapon doesn't cost 200m a pop, along with being more rare than gach rates(that everyone can potentially get) >.>

    Disclaimer to those that think I'm tripping before the CWK changes

    Crushed Skulls used to only be "farmable" from collecting Stormbreaker badges which had one of the lowest drop rates from all the badges, THEN you gotta "raffle" for a 1 in 8 or so chance to pull, THEN you gotta pray the damage was at least 118-120 from 110-120 Crushed Skull. Also you wouldn't see a single Crushed Skull that's 118-120 for MONTHS. I remember owling every day for 6 months straight just to see no Crushed Skull in the market.

    So until your skiis are 200m a pop its honestly not so bad as it is right now. You don't know how bad it is. :^) So quit bitching and just be patient. I rather have the current end game weapon like NT Spear be buffed then see more skiis in the market since at least that way people can farm for it.

    My 2 cents kekw
     
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    I'm sorry but.. what? You're justifying sky skis being available exclusively from gacha and that it is a non-issue, at least not until it hits 200m for a perfect clean one, because perfect crushed skulls used to be more difficult to obtain?

    I'd figure you'd understand us DrKs' plight instead of telling us to wait for our liberation from RNGesus.

    However, I do agree with you in that the NT Spear should be buffed instead - why isn't an end game spear not the best spear? Huh?
     
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    It's moreso the skis are just random OP weapons that maplestory decided to plop into the game.
    They can be equipped by any class, and honestly don't fit in. (No other class uses a common weapon as their main weapon)
     
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    i sugesst dark knights able to wash above 30k hp to 50khp
     
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    Bump for sushi
     
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    Just make a hero :laughsinbrandish:
     
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    I want to thank Oradious for providing me with a delectable sushi. I sure wish I could buy some more from an npc though. I'd honestly even spend the 2.1k that roots currently cost just to have a 20% potion because it'd be a significant QoL buff to drks and still significantly cheaper than cheese & milk. I doubt we'll see a change to sky ski's gach exclusivity or slow spear buffs to equal a random gach weapon so it would be nice to at least know if the HB mules of ML can get better pot selections.

    [​IMG]
     
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    #FREESUSHI
    #FREESUSHI
    #FREESUSHI
    #FREESUSHI
    #FREESUSHI
     
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    I am hero and i feel very offensive.Dk do double hero dpm and have hb that get NLs and bms wet. I agree that we should add sushi but instead the vendor be hero mains. We get 1k sushi a day for free to sell to the dks. As form of payment
     
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    Heroes do ~5% more damage than Dark Knights do in absolutely max gear. And that's with a perfect zerk too. Dark Knights only look good because most of the modern Heroes are pepegas.

    A lot of content punishes DPM if you aren't willing to drop significant money on Reindeer Milk. If Dark Knights are never given a cheaper alternative they will be significantly weaker than Heroes in almost every circumstance.

    aka sushi bump
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRGkbnfggl8&t=366s

    hey man u white my hero in perfect situation and have HB. This is vid of two warriors with end game gear. As you can see dark knight stronger with sharp eyes and maxed out. But you can have your sushi i like sushi.
     
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    What exactly is a random video of a different server with a completely different meta where we don't even see the gear/stats supposed to prove?

    If you want some actual numbers in lieu of randomly trying to mislead people for attention then here you go.

    1250 str/50 dex
    SE/SI/MW20/Echo
    134 att Sky Skis, 21 att gloves, 16 att cape, 10 att MoN, 7 att sock, 20 att pot = 218 attack + echo = 226.7 attack

    1250 str/50 dex
    SE/SI/MW20/Echo
    148 att Flairgrave, 21 att gloves, 16 att cape, 10 att MoN, 7 att sock, 20 att pot = 232 attack + echo = 241.3 attack

    For Dark Knights:
    Average DPM = [str x 5 x average mastery + dex] x w-att / 100 x ([Crusher Damage + SE damage] x SE-proc-chance + [Crusher Damage x SE-no-proc]) x Crusher-Lines x Zerk x Attacks-per-minute
    = [1250 x 5 x .86 + 50] x 226.7/100 x 1.91 x 3 x 2 x 74
    = 10.43mil dpm

    For Heroes:
    Average DPM = [str x 4.6 x average mastery + dex] x w-att / 100 x ([Brandish + SE damage] x SE-proc-chance + [Brandish x SE-no-proc]) x Brandish-Lines x ACA x Attacks-per-minute
    = [1250 x 4.6 x .77 + 50] x 241.3/100 x 2.81 x 2 x 1.9 x 95.2
    = 10.98mil dpm

    So in the same gear Heroes are 5.3% more damage.

    As a Dark Knight, that's fine. Nobody here was even bitching about the slightly less damage. Dark Knights just want easier access to that damage.
     
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