Gachapon Changes

Actual intended progression is the supply of high level scrolls dissapering? That's intended?

 

If that happens, no skin off my bones. What I'm talking about it actually playing the game as it was originally intended. Classic play for a classic server. Something people have obviously forgotten about, or because they were never around for never actually experienced.

 

So because you are a casual player everyone else should be a casual player and not care about their character progression? I see, well then, I guess now I can see why don't care about any of this, you'll never get to the point where it matters to you anyways so why be bothered right?

 

oh yea i forgot end-game wasnt in classic v62 maple, anything past level 120, white scrolls, chaos scrolls,ht here is custom and not "Original"??? HELLO???

i'm actually starting to think your a troll so i'm not going to reply anymore to your useless arguments.

 

Can confirm \o

 

I agree that gachapon forms the economy but the changes mainly affect end-game rewards such as chaos scroll and white scroll which are only in demand by late game players (eg. level 160+) which forms less than 5% of the population.
Most scrolls in the economy (10%, 30%, 60%, 70%) are still in abundance which affects majority of the players.

So what we see here in this thread are merely the vocal minority voicing out on behalf of the late game players, it does seem that majority of the population doesn't seem to be having issues with the changes. Else, they will be here expressing their concerns.

 

To be fair, most of the population right now is new players, most of them nowhere near endgame to worry about the nerfed items.

An issue might arise later when more newer players eventually reach endgame and are hit with a lack of WS, CS, and other legendaries leading to a (large) inflation of prices.
Which was already brought up pretty well by Lionheart already on p3.

 

People arguing in this thread are obviously passionate about the game which can sometimes narrow your vision and heighten concern. As a relatively new player who joined late April, I feel that the server is very healthy and that the perceived impact of this gachapon change is being blown out of proportion. It's not like big rewards from it were removed, just adjusted slightly. There was legitimate concern over the long term health of the server with this heavy influx, so to err on the side of caution by slightly adjusting down is safer than leaving it be. You can always set it back to how it was, but you can't retroactively remove items if things get out of hand.

 

Legitimate concern, because falling prices must have seemed like doomsday to some. But still wrong.

 

wrong can be subjective (even though i agree with you) which is why everyone has to be as clear as possible on this topic - not just a "but muh ws" or "fuck you i'm gonna get mine"

 

People just need to realize that there isn't just one way to play the game. Some play for the Economy, Some play for the Quests, Some play for the chat, Some play to Min-Max. To state that someone's gameplay style is wrong is like stating the world is flat.

All I've been saying is give it a chance and see where things go. As it's been stated before, things will be adjusted but the numbers have to be present. From what I can gather, it's being tested live because it requires the large base of people that can't be tested properly in a closed environment. The system as it is built is subjective, and relying on just 1 to 10 people to test something that effects over 4k people, not a feasible reliance, not enough information to judge a basis behind until a live consensus is reached. I'm looking at this at both a Player (new or otherwise) and a Server Administrator who has had to make live adjustments to suit a large server.

Economic structures tend to look like they collapse before they strengthen, or increase out of control, which is bound to happen. Let it adjust, See where it goes. Already it's just the same stuff produced in the FM constantly, never really changing. You see the falling prices as a threat, but when a new player can't get anything sold because of the extreme prices that no new player can afford, you end up losing new players to appease the old ones. You should be happy with lower prices for the moment to get the items and things you want for your later on/End Game. It won't last long.

Just because you don't agree doesn't give you the right to harass someone about their opinion, and shouldn't be ridiculed because you don't agree with their style of gameplay. You should ask yourself what you're actually doing to better the server as a whole, not if someone conforms to your ideals.

 

there's been plenty of posts detailing their reasons why "give it a chance" may not be a good and/valid option when there are other ways to verify or check how changes will impact the server

nevertheless it's the easiest one to test the results (you see in real time), but obviously you have people who don't want to see it (myself included)

 

Just a personal opinion but I think you should actually take a moment and read this thread over. I think you're missing a lot of valid arguements people have made here. It's rather pointless to keep on trying to make your own point of you don't listen and reason against the arguements other people make. As you can see there are already questionmarks about how the previous and current rates are being live tested. I've raised these concerns myself in this and this post. Perhaps Kimberly could provide with a more meaningful anwer that bases these changes on some digits? Feels like there's no further point in argueing without some actual facts by now.

 

I've already explained the economics behind it like four times...

Alright, so you should take your own damn advice. If you want to play casually or not care about getting extremely good gear later on, that's fine, but don't push an agenda that negatively affects other players just because you don't have their playstyle.

We don't need to give it a chance. The informed among us already knew what would happen, and the skyrocket in prices of these goods - if they even are up for sale at all - has already been noticed.

Where the hell do you get this information?

The argument you pose here is a reason to have kept things the same and not nerfed the rate of white scrolls and chaos scrolls. There were some people who were panicking thinking that the drop in prices meant the market was being completely flooded and the game was becoming too easy.

Who is harassing you? Are people sending you private messages or posting unwanted comments on your feed? Are people stalking you in game? ....no..?

I didn't think so.

This is a forum. Disagreeing with people isn't harassment, my special little snowflake.

 

probably should've been clear that this wasn't directed specifically at you - you've actually made some very thorough and insightful points on why you disagree and not just "i don't do this therefore i disagree"

it's meant for in general

 

First off, yes I have been harassed in game. Yes, I'm being Stalked in game.

Second off, I agreed with your assessment on the economy. Obviously you didn't notice that. Instead you continue to beat a dead horse on the subject. The truth of the matter is it's changed and more than likely will not change back and you just have to suck it up buttercup.

Third: The Market is Flooded. It's been flooded.

Fourth: American Economic History shows several examples of Severe Depression before a hardy Recession, as well as in several other markets (Japan, Germany, Scandinavia, Britain, ect..). Game wise, World of Warcraft and Runescape went through several iterations of the same process.

As for Snowflake, Try looking at your own posts about pushing Your Agendas, Lionheart. It's all over the forums, and if anyone disagrees with you, you're the first person to start flaming about it and leaving derogatory remarks at the individual in question.

 

Great meme. Show the proof, Otherwise it's just another pointless statement.

 

https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/white-scroll-nerf-was-unnecessary.14590/

Now get lost you imbecile.