Lets solve HP washing.

No one said HP Washing is a must. Its more of a luxury for those that are willing to wait. You just need 5.5k HP on a range class to fight horntail which can be obtainable easily with a couple of blood wash/ normal wash. FYI, not all bosses are meant for every class. You dont see warriors at anego huh.
My suggestion to You, play a warrior class. You dont need to wash to be able to survive those bosses.

 

What you're encouraging is a party with 4 nightlords 1 bm and 1 bishop. No one's gonna play the other classes if that happens.

 

Nightlords are already broken as fk in this patch. And now you wanna remove hp washing which is one of the only downside of NL (which can be solve easily by just waiting and voting).

 

Pretty sure removing and 'dont have to HP wash' implies the same thing.

 

If you're lazy and cant wait. Go play another server.

Definitely we all know there's a minority that does that. But what about the majority of the population? What you're suggesting isn't gonna favour the melee classes as much as the range classes.

 

Good luck getting a solution, since many have already been written and 1 half doesn't want it and the other does.
Cause not everyone is gonna agree on 1 thing.
Especially with HP washing which is such a stupid mechanic which shouldn't be in the game in the first place.

 

It's not about being lazy, I wanted to start and play a NL here because that's the class I've always loved playing. I started out and then saw that I would NEVER be able to boss with that character.

Welp, one week down the drain and delete it. So now I'm forced to play a bishop, why? Because I'm lazy and don't want to vote? Not really, I could bear the fact that I would have to wait several months before being able to boss.

WHAT I CAN NOT LIVE WITH is the crazy funding required to be able to play this character "normally". So.. I had to FIRST LEVEL A FUCKING MAGE to be able to level (leech) the stupid int lord. Which basically is not what I wanted to do.

I wanted to play a thief/night lord the normal slow way and still be able to boss sometime, I'm not saying I would have to be doing zak/ht my first month. I'm not afraid to put in the work. It's just retarded that you first have to level a mage to get funds, then use that mage to level your other character because it's just too weak to enjoy playing.

Something needs to be done about HP washing, people should be able to play the class they want without having to make a mage first.

I don't really see the particular washing as something that would solve it, I'd rather see something you can farm ingame. Perhaps doing daily stuff for a looooong time to get rings with much HP, similar kind of system by farming/dailys etc for ring HP scrolls. I see hard to come by rings as the best solution as it encourages actual gameplay and not just voting.

If you're really serious about your washing then you can still make the stupid intlord and get 30k hp, but for us normal people that play casually and wants to have fun whilst playing (leveling another character to level the character you wanna play, that's not playing in my eyes).

The point where you mentioned that every party will have 4x NL 1x BM 1x Bishop is not really a valid argument. Pirate classes can do good damage, speed infusions, other classes are much cheaper to make then and people will do it because it requires less funds etc. I don't think this will be an issue at all tbh. People tend to play the class they wanna play anyways.

TL;DR I think washing needs to change some way, you should be able to start out with the character you wanna play without having to add a lot into int and then vote for 8 months. Enough hp to make at least Zakum and HT should be able to aquire ingame with a lot of effort.

I would love to see a feedback from the GMs regarding this.

 

Very well written post by the way, hope this gets enough attention to be looked into by the staff!

 

As another new player I kind of have some mixed feelings about this

On one hand it's very annoying knowing that unless you how wash your character is never going to be as good as one who does. It's the same level of stretching game mechanics to the edge of exploitation that breeders in Pokemon use, only more wait time. It makes anyone who just wants to casually play feel pressured to do it as well or else they wouldn't be able to really play with anyone because they have a terrible character.

On the other hand, screw it! It's your own damn character play it how you want it. Find some players who do the same and have fun with the game.

I don't really consider not being able to play a certain boss. I mean in the normal MapleStory you wouldn't have been able to anyways right?

 

HP washing wasnt really the intended game mechanic for maplestory. I could no longer find the post whereby a game designer (Neckson korea) who was part of the original team that design maplestory talked about some core gameplay mechanic. (the post is in Korean way way long ago in 2006 or 2007)

He mentioned there was not such thing as HP washing in when they first design maplestory. It was the amount of the revenue Neckson earned through the sale of reset scrolls (it was about 50-60%o of revenue). The developer team actually wanted to rebalanced the bosses and hp gained for all the class but was strongly opposed during their quarterly meeting with top management. He revealed that the profit/loss forecast from business development team (CFO) strongly opposed the move because the projected lifespan of maplestory was 5-7yrs and changing/rebalancing has a drastic impact on the projected financial gain for the next fiscal years. The pressure was immense from higher up and they had to gave in. He also mentioned that the Grinding difficultly of maplestory was intentional as well, not as a game designer team point of view but mainly again from the business development unit. THe BDU wanted to lengthed the lifespan of maplestory by having player suffering the long grind and buying the 2x EXP.

In my personal opinion reducing HP wash is certainly a big welcome. Lets look at it objectively rather than emotionally.
1. All classes are not created equally, this the hard truth. Some are better at bossing while some are not. However every class should be able to do bossing.
2. With regards to point 1, not able to boss means not able to enjoy the full content of the maplestory. Bosses are supposed to be a challenge but at the same time it should NOT lock a certain class out of it.
3. Every class should be able to do bossing at in certain point in their entire 200 lvls of career. Again, some class can do it way way sooner, while some may have to delay it a couple of lvls. However, if within the entire 200 lvls, the class is unable to fight any of the boss, it is certainly serious game play mechanic flaw.
4. Are boss meant to be soloed or as party? Again this drive the rational behind some players to HP wash.

As my Personal Opinion, HP wash should be tonned down. Some players will always go for max-mining for their characters. There is noting wrong with that as well.
I sincerely hope players can take a PARADIGM SHIFT with regards to HP washing.

Lastly, my ideas on how to reduce HP washing.
1. Give a base increase in HP when a character have completed a job advancement. Having 4 job advancements means there are 4 base HP gained through out the life span of the character.

 

Hi 13ad, I understand that you're a new player who wants to play the job of your choice without being limited by an in game mechanic that serves no purpose at all. Now I also know that you may not agree with whatever I have to say as I'm a filthy player who started as a bishop and never understood the woes of hp washing until the stage where I can afford it . I have to say that you did point out a good point that merely asking new people to switch servers is just an excuse to shut them up and I'm occasionally guilty of that myself. However do let me explain the current situation to the best I can.

Maplelegends is a v.62 maple. Most of us here play this for nostalgia sake. Personally, back in the old maple, I've never get a character past level 35, never had the chance to see zakum, never dared to go leafre, didn't even know about horntail let alone trying to kill it. Which was why the first time I saw characters who were over level 100, I was so impressed with it. I'm glad that ML has allowed me to level with relative ease and get to the stage where I can witness zakum, something which I've always wanted to do but couldn't back in old maple.

Now where am I getting with this? Maplelegends motto is that YOU create your own story. Yes, hp washing is a choice, so is staying on maple island as an islander, so is remaking your entire character the first time you die, so is making a str mage. All of these have been done by people before. Not potting is a little extreme but if you really want to, why not?

Now on to the real meat of the topic, HP washing. One thing that most people misunderstand about HP washing is that you NEED it because you will definitely reach the required level for HT. Unfortunately, even assuming that HP washing isn't in the game, you're likely to still need at least 5-6 months to get a NL, Corsair, BM/MM to even reach 155 if you're unfunded. Levelling just ain't as easy as you think it is.

Unless you know you're definitely going for HT or toad, washing is just not required.

On to your point about more ways to get AP reset, I'm going to use the new player argument here. So far, every event has had a slightly different method of getting them. During the valentine event which I assume that you weren't around, you were able to get 3 resets per lvl 30 character through a mini exploit. People were creating a ton of lvl 30 chars just to farm the resets

Workarounds for a decently high level character:

With hp equips, you can lower your hp requirement to about 5,200.

HP eqp:
100 hp deputy
100 hp ring
60 hp cape
40 hp face accessory

A NL hp at 155 is about 3578, so you'll need an extra 1622 hp or 90 washes.
Assuming you only have 4 int at 70, you can afford to spend ap for the next few levels to raise it to 60. Borrowing int gears is an option which I often do for others .with decent int gears, you can raise your total int to 120~

Now you only need another 90 levels which is level 160 in order to fully wash out. Yes you will suffer from having lower damage as your cape slot is being used, but it's a compromise you have to make.

To end off this very long post, I'll have to say that yes I would like AP resets to be obtained in an easier and consistent way. But I only view that as an additional bonus. Bossing life ain't easy and people do quit before they reach that stage. Hp washing should only be done if you've fully thought things through and not merely because you're afraid of losing out on end game content . After playing for 9 months, I can honestly say that I've had the most fun talking to others and selling leech (yesh selling leech is fun F3) I hope that you'll find some insight from this post and do let me know if there's anything I miss out. Cheers!