Accepted Make Outlaw's Burst Fire Active

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If it's possible client-wise, sure, I don't see why not as a QoL. That aside, at the very least, it shouldn't take 11 points to make it better than Double Shot-- among the many problems of Outlaws.

For reference, despite the speed of Gun attacks (which isn't that significant as Claws are also usually Fast speed), it always deals less than the Sin counterpart with Shadow Partner + Critical Throw (that 200% damage is too good...) when keeping in mind potential buffs for Corsairs pre-4th.

 

With challenge system and class reworks in mind, staff should probably take the time to look over all the skills and restructure them so that there isn't some arbitrary minimum level required to attain breakeven effectiveness. This type of logic has been applied in the past to things like Enrage (it used to take like 21 levels before Enrage became better than Rage). I don't see why it shouldn't be applied for others.

 

I'd like to review this again, since I realised it was sort of my fault this post became a suggestion in the first place.

I'm sorry. I first suggested Double Shot to be buffed years ago here : https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/scaling-pirates-double-shot-properly.11881/

But, I forgot to take into consideration Burst Fire.

Obviously, the Burst Fire progression scaling has to be fixed so it's stronger than DS at the start, but, now a new question arises: do we buff Burst Fire further to match the DS's buff of +20% or just fix the progression scaling?

I'm going to go on a limb here and make some educated guesses based on some math I had made in an earlier post about bullet damage. and say that the gap between Hermits and Outlaws solo damage is still as big, or bigger, because of some findings below.

Hermits would still out-damage Outlaws even with a no bullet restriction damage upgrade AND potential damage buff, due to the same Critical Throw OP-ness and their new Shadow Partner skill in third job (+2 more lines).

Ironically enough, Burst Fire is also slower than Lucky Seven. Have a look:

Lucky Seven/Triple Throw/Drain/Shadow Meso/Normal Attack
Faster (2): 600ms (-210ms) <== With booster on, Skanda's and Red Cravens (Fast (4)) have this speed.
Faster (3): 660ms (-150ms)
Fast (4): 720ms (-90ms)
Fast (5): 750ms (-60ms)
Normal (6): 810ms

Double Shot
Faster (2): 360ms (-120ms)
Faster (3): 390ms (-90ms)
Fast (4): 420ms (-60ms)
Fast (5): 450ms (-30ms)
Normal (6): 480ms

Blank Shot/Burst Fire
Faster (2): 660ms (-180ms)
Faster (3): 690ms (-150ms) <== Most, if not, all guns have this speed after Booster (Fast (5) + booster 2)
Fast (4): 750ms (-90ms)
Fast (5): 810ms (-30ms)
Normal (6): 840ms

To improve Burst Fire, its scaling could be fixed while maintaining the same maximum damage, but its speed could be increased by around 10-20% to align with the Corsair class identity of high speed equating to higher damage per minute (DPM).

Obviously, we can give it a straight buff like Double Shot, but, DS was already fast to begin with.

Again, this hinges on the gap between Outlaw and Hermits for the math I didn't do (yet), if it's actually true (probably is, tbh).

Minor edit add-on:

Bowman's Strafe is as fast(er) as Burst Fire, lol.

Strafe/Arrow Rain/Inferno/Arrow Bomb/Normal Attack
Faster (2): 600ms (-210ms)
Faster (3): 660ms (-150ms) <== This one if using the Maple Kandiva bows (lv64)
Fast (4): 720ms (-90ms) <== This one if using the Nisrock-tier bows (lv 100)
Fast (5): 750ms (-60ms)
Normal (6): 810ms

At the higher levels, Burst Fire is only about 4% faster than Strafe, which isn't really fair IMO.

 

I agree with everything

 

Pls increase burstfire speed if anything

 

ok the suggestion is now approved basicalky
https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/anniversary-2023-balance-changes-explained.50184/

but i will have to test it out to answer the question, "Skeleton hit need burst fire how many"

hapy mapling!!