Neo Tokyo Bosses' droprates

I wonder the drops depend on: the people that participate, the people that damage the boss, if the finishing blow is a single target attack. Maybe is coincidence but ive seen more and better drops when I solo the bosses than when I go with a crew of 4-5 ppl, with a party is not rare that we get absolutely no drop or just 1 drop (a crystal).
The prequest are ok tho. I hate more the HT ones, you have to do them again and again and again, that quest drags me nuts, the stupid manon part.

 

To answer a few things and my ideas.
Initial hype is always a thing for anything, once it gets released it dies down that's what happens as players get accustomed to it.
Not everyone wants to grind and that's fair, NT gives the opportunity for players to go into multiple bosses twice daily (8 total).
Grinding at 5/6 7/F will always be the highest EXP there's not much comparison.
NT in my opinion has one of the highest possible money making opportunities out there, for literally no setup of buyers, and a few party members. (A small party can already clear and of these bosses in 30-40 minutes).
Plants and stones, scrolls (shield wa/ma), glave weapons, star/bullet, earrings, dkanjar.

End game when you reach that peak of perfect weapon/glove, a good cape etc. You're going to be spending upwards of 1B+ for a small upgrade of damage, and that's expected.

Most of the gear listed about is mostly used by end game, high leveled players. Most of the community isn't at the point where that is a necessity so it's hard to really see if the market is really skewed by the lack of interest of NT or whether it is just that they haven't reached that level yet.

You can see how the effect of players surging to a specific level can have an effect on book prices, Gen 20 for example was sitting at less than 20m for a period of time. With the sudden splurge of bishops reaching that level and officially needing the books, the prices shot up to 40-50m.

 

Even without buyers, raw farming ulu 2 or skeles is better money than NT on average and much more consistent, and while NT is certainly easier to organize than HT, I wouldn't say that it's really easy either, since you generally need HB for Verga and Nibergen (so the aggro target can survive on the bottom left), a pinner for Nameless, and some ranged characters (who can take 10k damage) for Dunas. (There are also people who run solos, but the number of people who have the time and capability to do such a thing is even smaller.) Also, as I have said already, plants and stones actually have very small market due to the amount of coins needed to convert them into something useful, and the massive amount of RNG required with crafting weapons (MTK isn't RNG but crafting MTK is a gigantic loss with the current market rates), so they take a long time to turn into actual money, and a long time to turn into a grave too.

I do agree that graves and MTK/bullets are very much endgame contents and should be suitably rare (although it should still be noted that once PB gets released and reverse weapons become available, even without any form of levelling, most graves will lose relevance, except for 1h sword/mace, and possibly 2h sword and dagger), but right now NT is simply unattractive to the point where it's difficult to even find people running it (there are generally like 5 regular hosts drawing from a pool of maybe like 10-20 runners, plus a few rogue soloers like me and Akash) because HT has it beaten hands down in both experience and money, and even CWK is more rewarding to do and generally much easier to organize due to the lower level needed, so the only people who even do NT are generally people who want chairs, have too much time on their hands even after HT runs and CWK runs, or conversely people who have too little time on their hands to run HT/CWK - in two latter cases, people who don't run NT because they want, but because they don't have anything else to run with their time, and even then NT compares poorly with either just grinding or just raw farming mesos somewhere else, being only something of a mediocre balance between the two (and even then Dunas's experience just sucks so it can't even claim that).

This is why I still maintain that, at the very least, the drop rates for "low" items should be made higher - if people can generally get, say, at least 2-3 weapons they can NPC, with a decent chance that some of them being high attack and sellable for a few million, as well as some 60% scroll that could be sold for a decent amount, then it'll at least compare a bit more favorably with just raw farming somewhere.

 

but NT weapons and materials aren't cheap to sell

 

yeah true but not many people would buy the material prices now as dragon equips are much more cost efficient.

 

It's true that NT has high money making potential, like if you do a boss run and you get a perfect speargrave claw drop or an MTK. But the data seems to suggest that the odds of something like that happening is like <0.1%. On average, your expected earnings is going to be significantly less than HT or other end game content.

I think most people here enjoy the NT content. It's just a shame that it has so much potential but seemingly 99/100 runs you're going to get a worthless drop or even no drops. If the drops were buffed a bit, there'd be more incentive to run NT bosses.

 

idk man I see a lot of good shit, maybe like 5 stars, several good equips and chair.
maybe you're just unlucky lmao
The content seems fine for how easy and brain dead it is

 

You've done 1,000+ runs though and gotten 5 stars? I think that's the problem with the NT bosses. Theres like a <1% chance of getting something super valuable but 99% of the time you get trash drops. So if you have the time and motivation to run hundreds of times you might get a few good things, but it's pretty punishing and unmotivating for players who can't run 1,000+ times. And then there's people like Saar who have actually ran hundreds of times without a meaningful drop.

What's the harm in adding a few decent scroll drops for the current 99% of the time when you get nothing of value? For other bosses in the game, there's intermediary drops that are valueable even without one of the rare drops. For example, in HT, even if you don't get a MW20/Gen30 drop, you'll still likely get at least something like TT30, dragon weapons, etc. For cwkpq even if you don't get a spectrum goggle you will probably get some 30% scrolls worth 2-10m.

 

copy and pasted from this website:
https://gamedesignlounge.com/why-video-games-get-boring/#:~:text=Video Games Become Boring When,quickly begin to lose interest.
When a player goes through long stretches of gameplay without being properly rewarded, they can start to become bored. An important element of video game rewards is making sure that players know that they exist and that they’re coming.

Creating a system within a video game where players will learn to expect a reward for completing specific actions can encourage them to keep going. Game designers can also drop hints early on in the game about legendary rewards still out there to be claimed.

Spoiler: after 30mins prep and 1hr of holding down your x key

 

Bump

 

NT doodoo. XP is alright tho (minus dunas)

 

Now that spear/flair graves are more obsolete because of reverse/timeless, we should revisit their droprates. Especially since they are being used as craft materials now.

Also please lower element pierce craft cost to 50m pls