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Owl of Minerva Changes

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by holysymbowl, May 22, 2024.

  1. holysymbowl
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    holysymbowl Red Snail

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    I'd like to suggest a couple of options for changes to Owl of Minerva as an admittedly new player, who does not like the idea of having a second account to vote on for the sake of spending NX.

    I understand that may be a benefit to the extra votes on gtop100 but there are still plenty of people who vote very consistently to be able to afford their AP resets. If there are logical reasons as to why none of these suggestions work, I'm more than willing to change my opinion on them. Therefore, I am mainly looking for constructive feedback and discussion, not whining that you don't like change.

    Option 1 (fSharp recently suggested this already): An online site that would be used to search prices. This could be done either by Legends or by a third party if there was a way to do so. Personally, I would avoid third party access to the database and manage it internally to avoid any potential abuse. The scraping can be done on a delay as to avoid excessive resource consumption and bandwidth concerns.

    Option 2: Make owls free. There are plenty of things that require NX already, limits are/can be imposed on the usage of owls, but at least it would grant everyone access to owls if they were not using a mule account for voting. This is probably the easiest option to implement.

    Option 3: Provide a way to search in game outside of owls. This option is not great as owls already exist so I believe it would be better to utilize them and not have to reinvent the wheel.

    I'm open to any suggestions and changes to the suggestions I listed above. Looking forward to finding a better solution than the status quo.
     
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  2. fSharp
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    fSharp Mano

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    You're so much more organized and constructed in writing then me! :laugh:

    I agree with your thoughts on Option 3 - it was originally intended for Selling as well, which owls cannot do atm.

    Making owlrepo.com prices reliable\up-to-date (basically option 2 on a site) - is what I believe would be the most beneficial with least amount of potential side effects.
    The reason I prefer it to be on the site, is the ability to see prices change over time.
     
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  3. Kmac
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    Kmac Horny Mushroom

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    Owls do admittedly kind of suck. Having real-time item selling/listing prices reflected in some database that anyone can access sounds great. Obviously this is super custom tho and you would need the blessing of our ML overlords and prove how it isn’t abusable. I’ll leave it to you and those who have authority around here to figure out what, if any, changes can be done to improve how the FM functions.

    That being said, it’s kinda funny how you emphatically state you’re looking for constructive feedback and not people whining about change after admitting that you “don’t like the idea of making a second account for spending NX.”

    With one small change OP, you too can have more NX to spend on Owls and whatever else you like. I’d recommend you get on that sooner than later cuz any changes like the ones you’re suggesting probably wouldn’t make it to live for a long time, if ever at all.
     
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    fael Skelegon

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    Aren't owls free already? How much are you paying for them? I pay nothing except a daily vote on an secondary account. It's just a minimal help in promoting the server, which is free to play and without any pay to win system.
    Actually, owls are basically the only way to indirectly make mesos by voting (not considering small gains like hp washing by saving potions), so having a minimal effort for this is necessary imo.
     
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    holysymbowl Red Snail

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    Admittedly, I do see the irony in that now. My comment was more due to the conversation in Discord when I brought it up essentially being told people whine and complain about changes. I'm saying that there could be a QoL for old and new players, there's no actual need for people to require multiple accounts to have access to owls.



    Owls are actually not free, they have a cost to them. It's an opportunity cost. If you use NX on owls, that's NX you are not using on say, AP reset due to the "requirement" (used loosely) of washing in the server. People who wish to vote on multiple accounts can do so, this change would not stop them, and if they have multiple accounts for HS/HB/SE mules, or whatever purpose, they still can vote multiple times which helps the server on gtop. This change would be a QoL for those who do not wish to have to make a second account for the sole purpose of owls.
     
  6. PrettyLights
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    Yeah owls are a pretty outdated system that was only designed to get our parents credit card number many years ago
     
  7. redpotion
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    redpotion Mixed Golem

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    It'd be a nice QoL thing if it were possible to gift owls to our mains, maybe? So I wouldn't always have to multiclient just to do price checks.

    Doesn't solve the original complaint of having to spend time voting on an alternate account, but the existence and low maintenance required to vote on alt accounts hurts the argument that owls have an opportunity cost. Especially if they were giftable.
     
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    Kmac Horny Mushroom

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    As silly as it may seem, even owls are better utilized in a multiclient fashion.

    Single client owlers need to close the owl results window before they can move. If it’s used to price check an item you intend to sell, it’s no big deal. However, if you’re a buyer and want to buy multiple of the same item from different stores across the FM you need to write down store names/locations or screenshot the results window unless you intend to re-owl.

    Owling in a multiclient fashion allows you to keep the owl results up and shop on your main. No writing, screenshots or re-owling required.
     
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    redpotion Mixed Golem

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    This is true. I'd be willing to put up with that if I could gift myself many, many, many owls from 3 or 4 additional accounts every couple months though, to help with re-owling. It's a tradeoff I'd be willing to make.
     
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    rctycoon7630 Orange Mushroom

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    just vote on an account or two only for owls, even more if you want

    they are too powerful to be free imo... and a bit of market inefficiency makes mmorpg's spicy :D
     
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