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Response to summon nerfing

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by RegalStar, May 26, 2020.

  1. RegalStar
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    RegalStar Nightshadow

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    I went to do a bit of test on what exactly the summon nerfing entailed, and from rudimentary tests, it seems like

    1) Meso drop rate is not nerfed in any rate. Only items' rates seem to be nerfed.
    2) More importantly, as long as the summon dealt the last hit the item drop rate nerf will apply, no matter how much damage was done to the monster by the player themselves.

    Therefore, I believe the following fine-tunes need to be applied to this:

    1) Meso drop rate needs to be nerfed alongside item drop rates. Otherwise this "nerf" is mostly pointless in the face of leprechauns, where the majority of income obtained is from pure mesos.
    2) The nerf needs to check whether the majority of the damage is done by summons, rather than just whether the last hit is done by the summon. Otherwise players are actively punished for using summons in grinding, which is ridiculous.
    3) Monster Book Cards rate need to be exempt (if it's not exempt already). This is extremely important because summons are strong enough to one shot most weaker monsters, and one of the most legitimate reasons high level players hunt weaker monsters is to get cards. Do not punish them for having a summon out when doing this.
    4) Boss drops need to be completely exempt (if it's not exempt already). No one would summon farm bosses for obvious reasons, so there's no reason to nerf boss drop rate just because a summon happen to have dealt the last hit. Letting boss drops get nerfed by summons would lead to endless trouble of all kinds that are completely unnecessary to have. Mott just told me that boss drops are exempt so never mind about this

    Really, I do not even see the point of nerfing summon drop rates at all. Summon farming is an extremely slow way to make money compared to normal farming, and even with this "nerf" it won't stop people from doing it at all - if anything it'd just encourage them to make even more mules to make up for the less income rate. But if this mechanics to be kept, then at least those changes need to be made to make sure that it 1) at least serves a purpose, and 2) keeps disruption to normal playing to minimum.
     
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  2. akashsky
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    akashsky Horntail

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    Summon farming leps gives you ~700k pure mesos per hour.

    About 300k per hr is derived from npcing equips / gacha.

    So before nerf, leps would give you ~1m per hr, post nerf we are looking at 790k per hr.

    If the goal here is to simply discourage summon farm behavior, why are we nerfing drop rate by 70%? Why not 100%?
     
  3. Crayo
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    Crayo Chronos

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    Because it's borderline botting and people shouldn't be allowed to make money by doing nothing. I'm just surprised they didn't nerf it by 100%.
     
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    Luscious Mr. Anchor

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    The first thing I did when I came back after a long hiatus is card farm using genesis + bahamut, where bahamut is also 1 shotting every low level mob. This change directly affects that legitimate gameplay enough where I have to remove bahamut from my keyboard. Obviously people abusing summons to stopper/meso farm is a problem but this solution punishes legitimate uses for them! There has to be a better solution, ughh.
     
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  5. MGTOWMONEY
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    MGTOWMONEY Orange Mushroom

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    Good, should have nerfed it years ago.

    People afk farming leps/voodoos on 3-4 mages or bowmasters at once.
     
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    JDPJHC Mixed Golem

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    :)
     
  7. Taniks
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    Taniks Red Snail

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    it seems like a big issue, totally making summons useless nerfing your gacha drops too, will it also nerf boss drop if unluky enough to last hit, Why dont just adjust map ownership making summons unable to take map ownership or add antibot mobs to those maps
     
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