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NPC that sells ws/cs

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Jaynus, May 21, 2021.

  1. Jaynus
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    Staff can set the prices of ws and cs based on what they feel is reasonable. Prices can be adjusted on the fly based on the data that staff gets. (number of ws/cs sold/used, in owl etc) The NPC can be locked behind a quest or sth but thats not the main point of this post.

    Pros
    • Solves the ws/cs supply issues that the gacha buff aimed to do, without affecting the supply of other drops.
    • With a price ceiling, hoarding will not artificially increase price.
    • Can still be used as a tax free currency without affecting the price.
    • Acts as a big meso sink

    Cons
    • More work for staff to do (create NPC, code etc.)
    • Messes with free market economics
    • Players that engaged in speculation/manipulation loses out (feels like a pro imo)

    LF> suggestions
     
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    Your pros#3 is a cons imo.

    Tax free currency is bad to the economy.

    Making CS/WS sold by NPC untradable might be a good compensation.
     
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    I'm just trying to justify the idea. It doesn't change the usability of ws/cs as being a tax free currency. Everything remain status quo
     
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    only if we nerf bishops
     
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    If you can somehow make it untradeable and only usable by the purchaser (i.e. can't be sold as service), I'm all for the idea. Sure it'll make ws/cs more accessible, thus adding power creep but what is extra dpm gonna do? Make you earn bossing pennies 30% faster?

    It will also crash the value of perf items, chaosed capes and specs which might be discouraging to users. So if you could make items upgraded by these NPC-obtainable ws/cs also untradeable it could fix the issue.

    In general, I'm all for ways to farm things w/o heavy reliance on RNG.
     
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    The hardest part is coming up with a reasonable price (essentially an upper bound) for WS/CS. A lot of seasonal factors affect ML, like the number of active players, whether there is an event etc. Make the price tied to the number of WS used, or number of HT done in a week. That should be fun LOL
     
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    Isn't the point of scrolling exactly this? To increase damage for ego or smoother runs
     
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    eh cheaper just to use apple instead of perfect gear
     
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    I wouldn't say that it would exactly crash the market. After all, ws/cs prices will remain somewhat high
     
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    I agree that it would be hard for staff to put a price on ws/cs, but that's up to them to decide. And they have all the stats so they can eventually adjust to a value that aligns with their goals for the server
     
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    If the concern is tax avoidance which leads to meso not being withdrawn from the server, remember that this npc would already take a big chunk of mesos out at the point of purchase
     
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    make gachapon purchasable with mesos
     
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    CS/WS will be (or already is) like another kind of "meso" to trade high value items.
    We can already see things like "accept WS only" in discord #free-market#.

    If the price is fixed, it's just something like a 150m coin with no tax,
    no matter of whether you can change it back to mesos through NPC.
    Because they are used to create end game items,
    people will accept it for that price from players just like from NPCs.
     
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    This is a bit off-topic, but make major bosses (area bosses excluded) drop rare gacha ticket,
    and remove it from regular mobs might be a good idea.

    1. make bossing great again
    2. somewhat nerf farming / leeching

    PQ bosses should drop it also, so new players can still have chance to get one.

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    In current meta, comparing PQ/Bossing vs Grinding/Farming, for example:
    • EPQ vs Ghost Ship
    • REG boss service vs Farming + Leeching
    • AFK boss service vs Duo Mage Farming + Leeching
    The epm is near, but in terms of mpm (mesos per minute), the latter almost always wins.
     
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    You're not addressing the point of contention here. You're describing how ws/cs is used as a currency, and I already know how that works. Your original point was how having a tax free medium for trade would result in less mesos leaving the server. My reply was that by buying the ws/cs from the NPC, 150m+ would have already left the server. Not really sure what your reply is trying to add to the debate
     
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    Getting lots of disagree reacts. Please post your thoughts here so everyone can know why this is a bad idea.
     
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    I feel like this would take a ton of meso out of circulation, and i'm not sure how much deflation that'll cause.
     
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    how does this crash value of perf items when the price of perf items will be tagged to the price of WS?
    It only removes the hoarding mechanism of WS, which in reality is welcoming for the poor?
     
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    White scrolls are ~180m right now in game. A perfect dragon weapon is worth around 40 white scrolls. 180m times 40 => 7.2b

    If this suggestion is implemented at 150m, it will crash the value of a perfect dragon weapon to 6b. If the suggestion is implemented at a price higher than 180m, its useless and does nothing to the economy (because you can buy ws cheaper in the actual market).

    A NPC that sells ws or cs will either lower the price of perf items or do nothing.
     
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    Well that's not exactly true. It sets an upper bound for how much WS can be, at the cost of insuring there is always a supply of WS.

    This is the scenario that I think this solution addresses:
    The legends economy is pretty thin for a lot of gacha-exclusive items. So in many cases, there are only 2-3 owl pages total in the market. It's really easy for a single person (whether they are scrolling or speculating), to clear out the entire market. There aren't enough gach pulls of these items for a short while, so the price of these scrolls sky rocket. This happens for bwg, gfa30, and a few other scrolls. So instead, let's consider there always exists an infinite supply at 120% of the current market price (and for many scrolls with high supply, this essentially already happens. There are a ton of merchers who will buy 100+ scrolls and markup a fair bit). This allows the market to be more stable.

    I just don't know if market stability is necessary. And to truly implement this system, the NPC price would need to closely track the true price, which is difficult too. I mean it's definitely interesting to see shortages of certain SBs, PoT, scrolls and change your grinding to optimize for that.
     
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