State of archers

Honestly MMs should ask for a Blind rework.

 

You're all missing the real issue, Inferno and Blizzard.

 

bowman mains have small pp

 

ngl the amount of MP/cast is super lame, although they have really good versatility with the elements..

 

The MM vs BM debate is irrelevant these days because all the archer mains quit to become buccs or NLs.

 

MM snipe is quite good early on or late at pb, piercing arrow is quite nice too

tbh weaker bm is perfectly fine and the funding required to make it stronger than mm+si should require an ungodly amount of funding

 

I'd actually like to know if any BM's actually use Inferno, because from my experience it's a damn meme skill. Blizzard at least freezes, but to my knowledge doesn't crit. Both could use QoL improvements to fix them, but they're niche at best and useless at worst. Maybe with SE the problems with Inferno get fixed, but even with the elemental damage modifier, Arrow Rain still simply just does more consistent and higher damage.

 

I really like snipe, so that's a +1 for MMs

and also, snipe is an anagram for penis, so that's a +69 for MMs

 

BM wins on an aesthetic level so bm wins periodt

 

blind (and threaten ofc) should at least be repositioned so as not to hide the dr in the bosses

 

One use case I know is clearing leaked wyverns from the HT platforms that hover around the heads, since your other hitboxes won't reach there. Definitely niche though.

 

It is just MM's blind unfeelable compare to hamstring, I wonder is it even worth that "1strafe time" to cast blind or not.

 

Personally I never do. I would've liked it to be a usable alternative to bomb arrow, not that I really use that anymore either.

 

inferno and arrow bomb are just fine, with inferno slightly better for more even damage and can pair with hamstring/si

 

Surely you mean Arrow Bomb and turn it into the Bishop's problem :^)

 

Like Milky mentioned, there's times where it's useful in HT vs. leaked wyverns. It also can be useful in PB when your Mage is dead and Bishops are busy on minibean spawn for Avengers Assemble type plays. I've also used it in desperate times in CB when cleaving guards, especially since CB itself is Fire weak. It's also useful for drawing aggro in situations where you dont want a Stun or KB, such as during Royal Guard, when you're luring Imperial Guards while standing on the right. You don't want to DB because then it puts them farther away when you want them to come to the right, and you dont want to Bomb because you dont want them stunned on top of RG. It's a niche skill but not entirely useless.

 

It's not worth casting unless during a cancel and even then the visual marker can obscure when cancel ends. Blind rework could be interesting but I can't think of anything to change it to. Turning it into a toggle at least would make it not completely useless since the cast time currently is not worth even 1 strafe.

I think archers are balanced the way they are because MMs are significantly stronger in the early-mid game. But people who think they compete with BM at end game are mistaken. Not that MM's are bad, they're just relatively worse in all aspects to BMs at that point. A good QOL boost for MMs would be a slight nerf to the movespeed of pirate boss in CWK so that MMs can pin it without mules. I think it's pretty unfair for new MMs that they can't pin it without an SI mule.

 

i think some people need to see how much funding is required to reach 9k average range