1. Hello!

    First of all, welcome to MapleLegends! You are currently viewing the forums as a guest, so you can only view the first post of every topic. We highly recommend registering so you can be part of our community.

    By registering to our forums you can introduce yourself and make your first friends, talk in the shoutbox, contribute, and much more!

    This process only takes a few minutes and you can always decide to lurk even after!

    - MapleLegends Administration-
  2. Experiencing disconnecting after inserting your login info? Make sure you are on the latest MapleLegends version. The current latest version is found by clicking here.
    Dismiss Notice

State of archers

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by TORONTOTOKYO, Jun 8, 2023.

Which is the stronger archer now?

  1. Marksman

    27 vote(s)
    27.3%
  2. Bowmaster

    45 vote(s)
    45.5%
  3. SAME!

    27 vote(s)
    27.3%
  1. -ovv
    Online

    -ovv Horntail

    2,280
    904
    500
    Feb 23, 2020
    Male
    3:42 PM
    -ovv
    Beginner
    200
    Honor
    Honestly MMs should ask for a Blind rework.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  2. CaptainNemo
    Online

    CaptainNemo Selkie Jr.

    216
    172
    215
    Oct 3, 2017
    Male
    3:42 PM
    CaptainNemo
    Islander
    Ossyrians
    You're all missing the real issue, Inferno and Blizzard. OnionPissed
     
    • Great Work Great Work x 1
  3. Esmo
    Offline

    Esmo Pac Pinky

    191
    6
    186
    Nov 8, 2019
    Male
    1:42 AM
    Esmo
    Beginner
    UpperLeveL
    bowman mains have small pp
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Informative Informative x 1
  4. Subterlabor
    Offline

    Subterlabor Nightshadow

    679
    126
    350
    Mar 13, 2023
    4:42 PM
    SweatLord
    Bowmaster
    185
    Toilet
    ngl the amount of MP/cast is super lame, although they have really good versatility with the elements..
     
  5. OP
    OP
    TORONTOTOKYO
    Offline

    TORONTOTOKYO Windraider

    439
    42
    291
    Oct 16, 2021
    6:42 AM
    even without SI, MM does alot of damage. i think for strong geared MMs, SI provides 10~15% extra dpm.
     
  6. -ovv
    Online

    -ovv Horntail

    2,280
    904
    500
    Feb 23, 2020
    Male
    3:42 PM
    -ovv
    Beginner
    200
    Honor
    The MM vs BM debate is irrelevant these days because all the archer mains quit to become buccs or NLs.
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Informative Informative x 1
  7. fartsy
    Online

    fartsy Zakum

    1,338
    792
    471
    Jun 29, 2017
    Male
    5:42 PM
    Fartsy
    F/P Wizard
    Pasta
    MM snipe is quite good early on or late at pb, piercing arrow is quite nice too

    tbh weaker bm is perfectly fine and the funding required to make it stronger than mm+si should require an ungodly amount of funding
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Creative Creative x 1
  8. OP
    OP
    TORONTOTOKYO
    Offline

    TORONTOTOKYO Windraider

    439
    42
    291
    Oct 16, 2021
    6:42 AM
    fair reflection on the state of archers. hopefully, new players will be able to make a more refined decision.
     
  9. CaptainNemo
    Online

    CaptainNemo Selkie Jr.

    216
    172
    215
    Oct 3, 2017
    Male
    3:42 PM
    CaptainNemo
    Islander
    Ossyrians
    I'd actually like to know if any BM's actually use Inferno, because from my experience it's a damn meme skill. Blizzard at least freezes, but to my knowledge doesn't crit. Both could use QoL improvements to fix them, but they're niche at best and useless at worst. Maybe with SE the problems with Inferno get fixed, but even with the elemental damage modifier, Arrow Rain still simply just does more consistent and higher damage.
     
  10. ColourOS
    Offline

    ColourOS Slime

    15
    7
    20
    Jul 25, 2023
    Male
    12:42 AM
    I really like snipe, so that's a +1 for MMs

    and also, snipe is an anagram for penis, so that's a +69 for MMs
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  11. Ainz
    Offline

    Ainz Zakum

    1,679
    1,087
    490
    May 2, 2015
    Male
    Netherlands
    12:42 AM
    So many I keep forgetting
    0
    BM wins on an aesthetic level so bm wins periodt
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  12. LeonardoJF
    Online

    LeonardoJF Zakum

    1,878
    344
    460
    Jun 16, 2021
    Male
    Rio grande do Sul - BR
    7:42 PM
    ItzLeo
    Paladin
    200
    Favela
    blind (and threaten ofc) should at least be repositioned so as not to hide the dr in the bosses
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Great Work Great Work x 1
  13. Milkydoor
    Offline

    Milkydoor Chronos

    89
    41
    98
    Feb 10, 2020
    3:42 PM
    One use case I know is clearing leaked wyverns from the HT platforms that hover around the heads, since your other hitboxes won't reach there. Definitely niche though.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. yurain
    Offline

    yurain Windraider

    423
    96
    301
    Dec 30, 2019
    6:42 AM
    YUrain
    I/L Wizard
    55
    It is just MM's blind unfeelable compare to hamstring, I wonder is it even worth that "1strafe time" to cast blind or not.
     
  15. Subterlabor
    Offline

    Subterlabor Nightshadow

    679
    126
    350
    Mar 13, 2023
    4:42 PM
    SweatLord
    Bowmaster
    185
    Toilet
    Personally I never do. I would've liked it to be a usable alternative to bomb arrow, not that I really use that anymore either.
     
  16. fartsy
    Online

    fartsy Zakum

    1,338
    792
    471
    Jun 29, 2017
    Male
    5:42 PM
    Fartsy
    F/P Wizard
    Pasta
    inferno and arrow bomb are just fine, with inferno slightly better for more even damage and can pair with hamstring/si
     
    • Creative Creative x 1
  17. beegoratto
    Offline

    beegoratto Zakum

    1,307
    366
    455
    Sep 22, 2021
    Male
    3:42 PM
    leetoratto
    Bowmaster
    1
    Nimbus
    Surely you mean Arrow Bomb and turn it into the Bishop's problem :^)
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Great Work Great Work x 1
  18. beegoratto
    Offline

    beegoratto Zakum

    1,307
    366
    455
    Sep 22, 2021
    Male
    3:42 PM
    leetoratto
    Bowmaster
    1
    Nimbus
    Like Milky mentioned, there's times where it's useful in HT vs. leaked wyverns. It also can be useful in PB when your Mage is dead and Bishops are busy on minibean spawn for Avengers Assemble type plays. I've also used it in desperate times in CB when cleaving guards, especially since CB itself is Fire weak. It's also useful for drawing aggro in situations where you dont want a Stun or KB, such as during Royal Guard, when you're luring Imperial Guards while standing on the right. You don't want to DB because then it puts them farther away when you want them to come to the right, and you dont want to Bomb because you dont want them stunned on top of RG. It's a niche skill but not entirely useless.
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Great Work Great Work x 1
  19. pharaoh
    Offline

    pharaoh Master Chronos

    96
    52
    116
    Mar 30, 2020
    Male
    6:42 PM
    Radiologist
    Marksman
    200
    Beaters
    It's not worth casting unless during a cancel and even then the visual marker can obscure when cancel ends. Blind rework could be interesting but I can't think of anything to change it to. Turning it into a toggle at least would make it not completely useless since the cast time currently is not worth even 1 strafe.

    I think archers are balanced the way they are because MMs are significantly stronger in the early-mid game. But people who think they compete with BM at end game are mistaken. Not that MM's are bad, they're just relatively worse in all aspects to BMs at that point. A good QOL boost for MMs would be a slight nerf to the movespeed of pirate boss in CWK so that MMs can pin it without mules. I think it's pretty unfair for new MMs that they can't pin it without an SI mule.
     
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2023
    • Agree Agree x 3
  20. fartsy
    Online

    fartsy Zakum

    1,338
    792
    471
    Jun 29, 2017
    Male
    5:42 PM
    Fartsy
    F/P Wizard
    Pasta
    i think some people need to see how much funding is required to reach 9k average range
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Creative Creative x 1

Share This Page