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Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by fael, Feb 28, 2024.

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    Saying arch mages bring nothing to most bossing content is wild. They are competent attackers overall and have more of a niche in bossing than several "attacker" classes.
     
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    I guess that's fair, honestly the exact class doesn't matter. Maybe Hero would have been a better example.
     
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    If you play a unwashed ranged attacker at end game levels you would realize very quickly how wrong your statement is for HP to clear bossing. Maybe you're content doing Zak and Krex until 200 but personally I'm not.
     
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    When I was a nub BM my I/L friend would carry me through Pap+Rav with chain lightning before I even knew about their pinning abilities in NT. Arch mages slept on fr
     
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    BoxyBoxy post your pog screenshott o better illustrate this comment
     
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    This has to be one of the most wildly out of touch takes I’ve ever read. Balance doesn’t mean homogenization; balance can still be achieved through asymmetry. You don’t have to turn mages into another “attacker” class for them to be considered balanced. HP washing is probably the single biggest source of burnout and loss of players. If you don’t personally feel these concepts are not high priority that’s somewhat understandable, everyone cares about different things, but the reasons you gave are… questionable.
     
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    this doesnt even make top 20
     
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    Top 10 for me for sure.
     
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    Interesting point of view. I 100% agree with your first suggestion, but partially agree with the rest.
    Some things I think isnt actually true imo, for example:
    1. Putting points into HP is doable, currently. But NOBODY wants this. Nobody wants to be weaker for nothing, so I think that wouldn't be a good idea to balance this.
    2. I don't think buffing holy arrow or any other early game skill is actually relevant in balancing jobs/skills. I like the change, but still think nobody would give up of any other 2nd cleric skill for holy arrow, even if it gets buffed. Final Attack yeah, maybe, it looks like bad designed skill. But anyway I just don't see that a priority tho.
    3. I agree with removing job requirement for weapons if that matter. I don't think it's a priority, again. Talking about secondary stats, I would actually support to ADD secondary stat requirement for warriors because it makes you think and plan your investment/equips.
    4. I think you maybe met unfriendly people, which isn't the biggest part of ML. Me and my friends were talking about how profitable is to ask for gears/pot money in FM. I think the community is really helpful and friendly with newcomers, for real. Sure, there are some elite clubs as you said, but who cares. You don't need to be part of them, you don't need them for anything. And I think those are just a small part of community anyway. And there are some guilds recruiting any kind of newcomer. My guild usually invites anyone, but sadly we are Brazilian/portuguese speakers only. But I really support some other ideas to bring and keep the new players, and imo a possible idea is to buff PQs.
     
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    Although there are friendly guilds that welcome all even within those guilds there is often times a boys club. Its one of the several reasons I left a large guild after spending around 8 months and 180 combined levels with them. The "elitism" runs deep with this server.

    Being a Jr in toilet its something I'm mindful of and do my best to avoid for the health of our guild
     
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    Sure man, but I still think ML's community is much friendlier than everything I've ever seen on online games. Elitist people will always exist, everywhere. You can't avoid that and there's nothing to do against it.
    I often see some people misinterpretating some attitudes, and some attitudes that should be seen as normal end up being seen as toxic. Example: I've never seen anyone criticizing some "casual" "community friendly" person when they expel an int lord from a OPQ. On the contrary, these people are often applauded after this type of behavior. And OPQ is just a content where a lv60~ can easily solo everything that requires damage. But I often see people saying it's toxic and elitist to expel someone from a optimized PB squad, where you must have everyone playing near perfectly to complete.
     
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    What do you think should be done for balance?
     
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    Lol this is so dramatic... you can do almost all bosses on all jobs, not just Zak and Krex. PB is pretty much the only issue and it could be fixed by decreasing its max hit.
     
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    Really wow, I wasn't aware that my 182 BM with tier 10, ellin, blackfist cloak and 440HP in pet equips, with tier 1+2 challenges wasn't getting 1 shot by JC touch, Horntail, all of NT, and PB. Must be a figment of my imagination!

    I'll work harder to not get instant one shot next time! Thanks!
     
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    Well at least we agree on quests. As for the others...

    1. Nobody wants it because nobody wants to waste AP. That's why it needs rebalanced. As an example: Imagine if every AP point you put in HP gives you 100 HP. And every point you take out, lowers 100 HP. I'm not saying that's exactly what should be done, but the current amounts we get for dumping AP into HP is a waste unless we wash.

    2. Nobody would give up anything for Holy Arrow, because Holy Arrow is trash. If it did 3x dmg of Magic Claw, and hit 6 targets, and had 2x range, I think people would consider using it instead of Magic Claw and Heal. Again, I'm not saying that's exactly what should be done, but I like having options when I build a character.

    3. We mostly agree here.

    4. Same. Maybe I just run into more unfriendly people than friendly ones.
     
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    You can't do HT or NT with HB? Really?
     
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    1. hp challenges already exist and at least for shad/mage/warriors you'll be fine with or without it. a change like this is a boon for all mules and would cause balancing issues
    2. holy arrow has its niche like fire arrow. not a bad skill.
    3. there are blunt weapons purchasable in ellinia but oddjob route isn't explicitly supported or protected on the server. power guard is fun and all but nobody expects it to be a viable build. also people (that includes heroes!!) do plan ahead on their gears, whether or not secondary stats are necessary on gears
    4. what is this bar for friendliness?
     
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    0 wash characters will be disadvantaged at Verga, Dunas 1, Nibergen, Nameless, and Core Blaze, struggle to run Auf, and are entirely incapable of running Dunas 2, Toad, HT, and PB. All other bosses are fine (Latanica, Pap, Rav, CWK, Zak, Krex, JC, BGA) as the max damage you can take from them is 5k (unless you’re face tanking)
     
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