Important Castellan Toad - Info & Thoughts

nerf toad damage to make it in line with HT damage (what people planned to wash for anyway) and reduce avoid of the boss SeemsGood

 

5.6k hp for ranged classes pre HB, would be fair for all

 

A lot of people prepared their ranged classes for the toad. A lot of people are already 200 and have less than 9.6k...

 

Honestly i think 7k clean hp would be fine

 

Dont nerf it, the fittest survive and the weakest quit the game hehe

 

A slight nerf is fine I think, to something like 6-7k pre-hb. But only in combination with the proposed avoidability nerf. Ranged classes are already the dominant classes at most high-level bosses, if warrior's edge is removed on Castellan, they should receive something in return on another boss.

 

For HT, ranged DPS players wash to around ~5,600 HP. Washing to 9,600 HP is a huge leap to prepare for the Toad. However, the Toad seems to be higher level end-game content, so I think it would be fair for HP requirements to be higher (~7.5K?).

In the same way, if HP requirements are reduced for ranged classes, accuracy requirements for the boss should be adjusted in an equitable way. I'm not proposing that accuracy requirements be right in between HT and Toad. Perhaps the accuracy requirements for The Boss should be the same difficulty/work of washing from HT to Toad for rangers.

 

I don't have too much direct feedback, but I do have a serious question: In terms of bosses, will this be the last to be added? Or is there the reasonable potential to add more, stronger bosses in the future?

If this is supposed to be the last "strongest" boss to be ever added (Ever ever!), then I suppose I don't see too much of a problem nerfing the damage it deals.

However, if there is the potential to add stronger bosses, then nerfing this one pretty much sets the precedent for even more significant nerfs for all future boss content. In which case, I do see a problem nerfing Castellan's damage without also taking steps to do something about HP washing.

 

I'm in favor of no nerfs. Those with barely-HT ready HP at 200 had the opportunity to wash more and didn't.

Also, it's a fair trade off between Toad intended for melee and The Boss intended for range. You don't have to do both bosses.

As for Neo Tokyo, this should be added to the discussion because nerfs are a slippery slope.

 

I like what Aron said. Don't flat out nerf, make some kind of balance. If you gonna lower/nerf one part of the boss, buff something else about it. Personally I am fine with whatever, but there will be many comments from those who are set to do it/will have the HP required already saying "Don't nerf" and then you will get the group who wont have the required HP saying "Do nerf".

You can't please them all.

 

Keep it as is for nostalgia:^)

 

Remove voting for NX, for nostalgica :^) (i kid i kid)

 

9.6k is a pretty absurd amount of hp to wash for. Sure some people have done/started it, but I think it only attracts the hardcore players. I’m not sure what the % of players to take on this long journey is, but it seems crazy to play this game for over a whole year with 200+ base int, not doing any damage, while getting to 180. A horntail wash already takes 5-6 months of hard work and waiting, and many people have already accepted it as the norm and are rewarded for it.

With the introduction of a newer, higher goal, you basically make most people’s end-game washes obsolete, make lvl 200s unable to kill the boss, and cater to the low % of people willing to wait 1year+ for a perfect wash.

Wouldn’t keeping it at 9.6k hp make an already highly inaccessible boss (still have to reach 180ish) seem impossibly inaccessible to most people? And consequently create a server where only the top % of people can kill/and farm the toad (monopoly?)?

My vote is for lowering the damage of the toad, but how much lower I can’t say what’s fair. I just dont see myself creating a ranged char with no dmg til 180, just to enjoy the game for 20 levels.

(Edit for format)

 

Castellan toad is a higher tier boss then The Boss, but if you do want to have the analogy of toad for melee, The Boss for ranged,
then i would say reduce toad dmg while reducing avoid change, and also reducing min accuracy for The Boss.

 

Toad doesnt really drop anything valuable enough for the “monopoly” to be a concern imo. Unless you need face/eye scrolls or are a chair collector, the only thing that you‘re missing out on is the exp.

 

I don't think Toad and The Boss were originally intended to be killed by every class. Following that, it makes sense to have a high bar entry where it is possible to make your character able to kill both with high effort involved because it is not intended.

 

Yeah that does make sense, which is why i voted for a nerf but not a complete 5.6k dmg one with some sort of middle ground.

 

I'd say go for 7k base hp. This way most upcoming ranged members are still able to catch up on the washing using mp washing and some ap resets to gain some extra int. For myself getting 7k base int would mean sitting on 150 int for another 20 levels. It's hard but not impossible.

If more hp would be required I'd say you'd need to buff hp equips such that we can (somehow) wear some hp equips while lowering our dmg. The issue with this is that every piece of equipment usually facilitates to the secondary stat that is needed to wear weapons.