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Clarification Needed: Mouse Wheel Remapping

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by EndG, Nov 5, 2020.

  1. EndG
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    Hello all!
    I've had a bit of trouble finding the answer myself, but I wanted to ask the administration.
    Is remapping left click onto my mouse wheel allowed?

    This question is in relation to Chief Bandit's Meso Explosion skill and using the mouse wheel to drop meso faster. A worthwhile video can be seen here:

    https://youtu.be/jiHtpqEtFqk

    Shadowers aren't exactly top tier damage, but this would certainly help them achieve NL standards. It would cost a player probably around 1billion meso per hour to pull off this strategy (reducing inflation). If you argue that this isn't 1:1 (1 action to 1 server request) then its worth mentioning that teleporting across Henesys as a mage isn't 1:1 either. An arguement could be made that with scroll lock on, that each individual scroll click is indeed 1:1. The reason I'm concerned about this is that I'm unsure of how the server handles its networking and wouldn't want to cause any issues amongst this ambiguity.

    Thanks! Fingers crossed for bringing Shadowers to Pink Bean.
     
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    This is new to me. what a genius way to drop mesos.

    according to the video description:

    "Game is mapleroyals Some recent changes prevented shadowers from using a mouse wheel to drop coins used in a skill that destroys money in exchange for damage."

    Wonder why it was banned there? i presume it would fall under the botting category or something?
     
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    :pinkbean: is finished.
     
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    its not allowed in legends
    I asked exactly the same question before
     
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    Do you have a link or know the reason why? I know its banned on other servers. I don't see what the harm may be unless it tampers with networking.
     
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    I asked thru discord
    it was long time ago..maybe we need to double check this ?
    LF> staff
     
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    I felt that enough time has passed to @ one of the moderators. Hopefully this doesn't disturb anyone. :D I think I'll vote NiseNise as best GM. :heart: Any input on if this is allowed or not?

    Just as a fun little discovery, I came across this worst case scenario relating to Runescape.

    https://youtu.be/txpZinJvLLM?t=719
     
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    I saw this post a while back and didn't quite understand what was going on in the vid :p what exactly are you remapping onto the scroll wheel? "Left click" so that you can spam click the "OK" and the "meso drop" button faster?

    Or is it remapping the meso explosion button onto the scroll wheel?

    Either way though, (based on what was mentioned by AMGMTG as well as my interpretation of ToS), it would probably be because of the paperweight botting clause:

    2.8 Paperweight Botting - The usage of third party software and/or paperweights (objects placed on a key) to continuously hold down a key to gain an abnormal advantage over others is considered paperweight botting and thus prohibited. MapleLegends Staff members reserve the right to randomly test you if you appear to be paperweighting. 1st Offense: 14 Day Ban; 2nd Offense: Account Ban

    While it's not "literally" a paperweight, infinite scroll on the logitech mouses pretty much functions as a paperweight. You're able to continuously repeat a keystroke without even pressing anything. As an owner of a logitech mouse (best brand btw, anyone that says otherwise can fight me) I can vouch that infinite scrolling is pretty much infinite (and a godsend xD) BUT allowing it to be used as a remapped button would pretty much = paperweight botting I would say.
     
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    Maybe it was remapped to Meso Explosion... but thank you for answering! :) I'll be sure to get a one of those mouses next time.
    :bag: As an aspiring game developer, controllers are always such a headache.

    That's unfortunate that its frowned upon. However, a repeated keystroke isn't the same as holding down the key. Maybe there needs to be an update in the rules? I guess the takeaway is that absolutely no automation is allowed. Thanks anyways :heartbeat: Poor Shadowers... I really wanted to see some expensive boss runs.
     
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    Yea I understand that it's not the same thing but from a rule standpoint, I can see it being argued that it's functionally the same thing T-T poor shadowers indeed, but they're in a pretty good spot atm so might be for the better balance wise too :p
     
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    In the video you provided the guy used an air-duster can to spam the scroll wheel, thus making it paper weight botting, if he used his actual hand though, maybe the ban wouldn't have happened.
    Rip 10 meso, at 1:01.

    Time to do this for FPS games where I can spam mouse wheel to Bhop.

    Kind Regards
     
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    If you play overwatch, you can use it to constantly wall jump/slide(?) on Lucio too :p
     
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    Does it means non infinite scrolling mouse would be fine? Since, it will be a 1 to 1 mapping of actions.
     
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    yurain makes a good point...

    Here's Nise's nice post on the terms of service.
    https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...precedents-interpretations.33574/#post-227556
    I'm really impressed with this btw NiseNise .

    Under botting it says "Using keyboard or mouse software to remap your keys = IS NOT general botting"

    I don't particularly like linking odd 3rd party website references, but I found a site called clickspeedtester, and I've used my Razer Synapse software to remap my mouse wheel down scroll. Aggressively clicking without warmup I was able to hit 10clicks a second. After remapping I was able to hit 20clicks a second. It is certainly much less strenuous, perhaps a little tedious, but arguably a more advantageous for people who want their mesos to go boom. To clarify, I was not using an infinite scroll wheel.

    I don't think this increase will affect any networking issues so that's nice.
     
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    I suppose its worth mentioning that players can see the difference between a regular mouse wheel and an infinite one. Using a regular mouse wheel, I was definitely clicking in bursts.
     
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    have you tried this ingame?
     
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    I have used it in the past on other servers but only in an empty FM room. I've never used an infinite mouse wheel however. With a regular mouse, you definitely have down time between drops.
     

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