Maplelegends is hostile to new and unestablished players.

Did you just say it's a privelege for someone to enjoy the content of a video game?

You literally cannot do HT until lvl 170+ if you don't wash, and good luck grinding to that level if you don't have bossing as an option.

Hp washing isn't optional, it's mandatory unless you wanna fall ridiculously far behind.

Regardless, the topic was toxicity. The individual expressed their concerns with the washing system (not an unpopular opinion) and instead of explain it, a bunch of ppl decided to tell them they're "USELESS" in your own words, and that they should join a different server.

Forget HP washing for a second, this is toxicity. This is not what keeps people in this server. This is the kind of attitude that older players have towards newer ones that drive them away.

I guarantee I have way more washing experience than you. You don't know what it's like to play a ranged class and do potato damage and have to rely on a mage to leech you for 100 levels.

Also, you're a paladin. Neither leech, nor washing has ever been a huge issue for you

 

To be able to do content that is end game you have to work for it. What games lets you do everything straight off the bat with out even worrying about "your class's weakness"? Last time I remember there are people that did minimum washing for HT and do perfectly fine like Shinra, Babo, Daniwelle and possibly more.

You want to talk about doing potato damage and washing? I had over 400 points of AP on my paladin AND still grinded to my level. (IIRC I started washing at around level 55 as well) What is the point of talking about experiences when you barely have any idea of what I've done myself? You made a MAGE first and leeched your self while being a potato with your BM, I grinded my ass with 400 AP+ behind on STR and still did everything I wanted and STILL enjoyed my time on this server.

Edit: I washed for 30k and now that allows me and gives me the PRIVILEGE to do ANY boss I want regardless if it is efficient for me or not.

 

I dunno why you care its like you care dude

 

What other game do you have to quit your character halfway through because of a mechanic that is discouraged to be talked about in the maple tips?

What other game has it so that you need to make a character BEFORE you make the character you want just so u can fund it and carry it as its a potato?

What other game encourages you go out for the day and come back to a stranger leveling you 10 times?

What other game let's you grind as much as you want, and despite being a high level and all that effort you put in, there's a timer on how strong you get with the timer being voting for nx for ap resets.

I can work 10x as hard as a hero, be a higher level and watch him white me because all my ap is stuck in hp and int

 

game die go to heaven. No end game bye bye

 

Almost everything that I dislike about this game and makes me very disappointed how little the admins on this server did to solve these issues.

 

I don't remember the nostalgia of washing on gms one bit.

And even if it was a mechanic back then, who's to say we can't improve on it now?

There's literally a maple tip that says not to overwhelm newer players with talks about washing.

What's the alternative? Let them find out at lvl 100 and quit cause they don't wanna do it all over again

 

Hmm, I remember a forum post showing that no washing is needed with T10 ring and all the other perm rings. Maybe I'm remembering wrong and it was no base int/int equips required.

In any case I think the overall spirit of my post stands, hp washing is nowhere near the difficulty before and even then it wasn't even that bad. Around a month and a half of voting.

Upon reading your initial post again, it does seem very reasonable. I think it would have been better received if you focused the topic on the 3rd job lull a lot of classes fall into instead of phrasing it as an attack on all older players.

 

It's getting a bit ridiculous in this thread, just a reminder that your personal experience in the game shouldn't invalidate/bring down the importance of others, even if two people had the same exact experience in the game they would (obviously) have different feelings about it.

kind of longish post inc uwu

I think this is pretty much a fundamental flaw with this version, you are essentially pigeon-holed into hp washing to enjoy the later game content at a reasonable level. To call it a privilege to be able to attempt end-game at all is pretty shitty. A "broken" mechanic should be fixed no? Or at least provide some alternative (which would be the PQ xp buff OP stated here).

It's viable, but not efficient which is exactly the point Bear is trying to make. Everybody is so intent on going the efficient way that there's nobody around who actually wants to PQ, because who would wanna do that when you can just buy leech?
Spending time to try to get a party together, then spend more time to actually finish the PQ?
What a fucking joke. Why would anybody do that, just buy leech smfhhhhhhh

Giving PQs a xp bonus promotes actual fucking gameplay, which many of you see as just an easier route introduced, but why punish people that actually want to play the game instead of brain-dead leeching?
Did anyone consider why the popular voice on the forums is mostly veterans is because a lot of new blood is (probably) driven away by mages2win, lack of other newbies, and by the hp wash mechanic (which is a separate issue idk why this is being brought up so much here fuck off it's about PQs).

Last I heard TT30 was 70m (2-3 wks ago I think? Might've been bamboozled), and considering how NL is one of the most popular classes sounds like your end-game is going to shit. If you want an active server with actual new players coming in and not just current players making mules or mages or whatever the fuck next class they wanna nx wash their brains out on, then I'd suggest giving low-level content a small boost.

 

I'm not sure I quite follow. With an inflammatory title like this, what did you expect? The title is the first thing people see.

 

It's pretty obvious your adjusted values aren't enough, go to the party quests you mentioned during the peak of Legends hours and see how many people are requesting to Party Quest. If you're lucky you can get one party out of the entire server. Also you wanted to deter leeching and promote grinding for pre-3rd job and 3rd job maps, I would like to know what maps those are and if people train there. Mannequins if you're melee, yet everytime I go there, even during peak hours in the summer, I would maybe see 2 to 3 maps full. I'm guessing if you're a mage priest/i-l, you are the few classes that might be at gallos and if lucky himes with a partner. But what about all the other classes? How many people actually train from 65-120? I know it might be anecdotal but I don't think I have ever seen a hermit level 108-120 at skeles or newts, a completely dead map in which no class ever decides to train. Where is everyone training then if feedback so far has been great? I'm still not sure why people are attacking GarBear's opinion in buffing party quest experience, it's no secret pqing on this server is almost completely dead. Why doesn't a gm just sit a character at OPQ and PPQ maps and see how many people go there? There was a user by the name iara who would smega quite an excessive amount to even get 5~6 people on this server to OPQ. It's not as if veterans are even hurt by the PQ changes, why are they so invested in saying no? Are they going to complain that newer players have it easy that Shaolin Temple has been released and they only had Skeles/OB4 to train on? If you care so much about the popularity of the game, why not make the game play more engaging.