too good to be true? (MP Washing help)

When you start double washing at lvl 63 you add 60 hp gained from washing while 5x16=80.

 

MP Washing is absolutely busted - the only issue is the sheer amount of NX needed for it. I had a bandit that only started MP washing in the late 3rd jobs, and I can still hit 10k hp by level 150

 

Your calculations are correct for the most part. I believe the average HP gain per level is 22, not 20, but 20 will give you the conservative estimate.

While this does seem "too good to be true", it's important to understand the magnitude of the amount of NX you will be spending. For you to double wash every level to 155, you'd be spending 2,883,000 NX on resets, which is 480 straight days of voting at best (but maybe less with 2x voting events). And then add another 421,600 NX to reset out your INT. You will most likely level faster than the rate you can vote at.

Quite frankly, MP washing that many times at 140 INT is inefficient. If you do decide you want to dedicate over a year's worth of NX to double wash, I would suggest a higher base INT like 200 to be more efficient. The higher your base INT, the more effective each MP wash is, and the less NX you'll spend on AP resets overall. I wouldn't go too far past 200 though because at a certain point the additional NX to reset INT will outweigh the added efficiency of an MP wash.

Also, MP washing requires fresh AP, while stale HP washing doesn't. This means you could MP wash until your desired MP goal, reset out INT, and then HP wash later whenever you have the NX to do so. Stale HP washes can be done all at once at any time. You'll lose some of the free MP you gain on level up, but you won't feel like a weak noodle for 50+ levels.

The great thing about Shadowers is that they really don't need to wash that hard since they have Meso Guard, effectively doubling your HP. You should look at the Important HP Thresholds thread to decide how much HP you want/need (https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/important-hp-thresholds.31698/). MP washing is definitely very powerful, but the downsides are the much higher NX and resets needed, and the high base INT you need which will make you feel significantly weaker until you can reset it out.

 

No problem! If you have any more questions feel free to DM me for my discord and I can help you with calculations!

 

Sorry for hijacking but i just wanted to ask do you have to mp wash each level or can you do it all at once granted you save up your fresh ap to do so?
What are the downsides/caveat to waiting to do it all at once vs doing it upon each lvlup?

 

You can do it all at once with accumulated fresh ap.

Downside: if you originally plan to pump the ap into int, then you lose some mp gain when level up as you get +1 mp every extra 10 Int

 

Thanks. forgot to consider that.

 

Is there a flat HP gain when leveling? or is it random..?

I've tried looking around the forums to see if theres other people that knows the base HP a level 135 Night Lord would have that didn't HP wash at all to one that did HP wash without HP equips.. and I've seen posts say that the HP gain was random but I've read other ones in other forums (better not to say) and they said that its random.. and I'm not so sure if I should stop double washing right now or if i should keep going.. because every level up i would gain HP anyways, so knowing the base if not random would be nice to know if I should continue or not.

The stats shows my HP with items while the AP Reset shows my HP without items.

(Mac has huge screenshots idk why lol)

 

thieves gain 20~24 base hp (random) when leveling

 

for what its worth you could always try mp washing at a late level instead. It's what im doing.

kalash just posted an excellent proof of concept here; https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...-at-lvl-195-without-losing-much-damage.35569/

The only downside is the time investment. you'd also need to save fresh ap

 

Based on the 80 HP Gained "from MP Wash" during levels 74-99, I'm assuming you're double washing? Because if you are, then you need to account for the 60 MP that you'll lose from the five stale HP washes every level.

Also, fresh HP washes give 18 HP on average versus the 16 HP you'd get from stale HP washing. I would incorporate that into the model as it makes a 1,000 hp difference from levels 100-200.

Lastly, keeping 200 INT until level 200 is impractical and unrealistic. Why even bother if you're going to handicap yourself for that long? I would pick a level you'd realistically reset out INT for, maybe some time 16x once you can do HT and NT content, or 18x for PB, unless you don't mind forever doing very below average damage.

 

15k HP by 165 is quite difficult for thieves and would require well more than 200 INT as well as getting leeched until 15x. If you really want to go that route, I would suggest even more INT (250-300) since you've started a bit late and only have 50 INT worth of gear. You can run the numbers to see how the total NX spent will change. More INT means more efficient MP washes but more NX required to reset out said INT. There is always a sweet spot.

You can probably account for more INT gear too. You should be able to get 90-100 INT gear fairly easily with HTP, helmet, eye, earring, wand, shield, glove, cape, overall, shoe and possibly rings.

 

What are options for shoes besides squishy shoes?

 

Yellow snowshoe from Anego or Female Boss