Make HP Washing Optional

Even with hb, ranged attackers can't HT until a pretty high level if they do not wash at all, 18x to survive if you get dispelled (after tail and legs are dead) to survive ht if you can mantain hb the entire time you still require a minimun of 4.8-4.9k hp to reach 7.8k and not get one shot.

 

< I washed to 5.6k @155 and stopped, currently level 200 with 7.1k hp still not enough to tank w.o HB. Personally I think its fine where it is now HT should be hard in terms of reaching that level/time taken to achieve the hp/damage needed, it gives you an accomplishing feel when you successfully manage to reach this part of the game and beat it.

That being said if every average joe could get 5.6k-7.8k hp easily or if HT's dmg was nerfed from what it is now, it would be a joke.

 

Ill just go kill mushmom

 

I like this quote a lot. I think it sums up my thoughts, too:

I've been silently pondering the same solution all along (reducing damage from certain bosses to make them more available), but I assumed that was a naive thought on my part as I've never been able to boss--and never expect to be able to--because of the need to HP wash. Since the mechanic of HP washing was never intended to be part of the game and is the solution to a broken problem, I feel pretty bummed knowing I'll never have a chance to approach a boss as my class(es) of choice unless I not only reach near the level cap, but also allocate NX/funds/time to AP resets, INT gears, and the like. And even then, maybe I might get to help with a boss after many months (years?) of doing so. I understand that it's a challenging part of the game and is a reward for taking the time to get to the point you are able to boss, but it seems intuitive to me that it's a reward for taking the time to level, not taking the time to go through the bs that is HP washing? I'm no hyper-competitive-elitist-whatever-that-class-of-players-gets-pegged-as, but I'd still like to be able to play all parts of the game by...playing the game (ie. level progression). I feel like that's natural and it would be great if bossing was accessible to a wider player base--bossing is one of the most exciting and fun parts of any game/MMO! If you cut it out then it's just an internal grind fest to...nothing, really?

If that class of players didn't like the idea of AP resets getting a price reduction (I'm assuming these are the same folks that might not want damage to be nerfed, or just nothing to be changed in general regarding HP washing), then I think this idea is an alright compromise. Bossing becomes accessible to more players, but those who HP wash still have the advantage of having more HP, thus an easier time bossing. I don't think it would be too hard to implement, either. We can have a discussion as a community as to what the specific changes would be (damage amount, which bosses, etc), and from there it's a small tweak to some numbers.

This is just my two cents. If nothing ever gets changed, then ah well, such is life. I just think it might be important to voice thoughts on this issue as it's probably the biggest, most consistent issue across the years the server's been up (and I've always been very quiet about my own opinions on controversial matters in the past :x). I've always been curious about perspectives from both sides of the player base and why you might like or not like certain changes? Let me know what you think, and thanks for reading if you got through all this 2.5 years of mind dump haha

 

Honestly, if you are serious about hp washing, it doesn't really even take that long to save up the nx for it, it's not a year or several months to get to the necessary hp to HT on a ranged class. Unless you are going for a really high ammount of base hp (then it's on you) washing a character to the required ammount of hp takes 2 months of voting or so, and most people that play this server are casual enough that it takes them that long to reach 4th job let alone ht level.
So I do not see an issue with this, I do not want washing to be made easier, nor do I want boss damage for current bosses nerfed, these were all in the game when ppl started playing the server and planning their characters around them so they do not require tweaks. If you really would like to boss then you can either wash and suck it up or level enough that you'll be able to boss regardless. Server has been out for a long time now so anybody that actually wanted to boss and decided to hp wash for it has had more than enough time to do so, if you didn't hp wash because you did not want then that is on you.
Edit: I didn't know shit about this game when I started and so I had to remake my level 70 hermit because I failed to use int gear or add int base till it was too late, it still only took me a month or two to be able to boss, so hp wash causing people to be unable to enjoy this server and boss is a lame excuse for those without a lick of patience. If you really can't play the game because you have to wash, then all you need to do is vote while not playing and then come back later. There has been more than enough time to do so.

 

LOL

 

+1 u have more then enough time to vote and get 5.6 hp untill you are level 155, no point lowering bosses dmg, thats how old gms was, only there u had to pay for ap reset.
If u want none/"luxery" hp wash i say find another server.

 

I used to be against washing as well until I realized 3 things:

1. Washing really isn't that difficult to do

2. Washing is almost completely optional, HT is the only boss where washing is compulsory; you can do zak, scar and a bunch of other lategame bosses without one single wash. Heads up, 99% of players probably won't get to HT levels.

3. If you dont want to wash, all you have to do is find a server where you don't have to wash. Why try to change it for a group of people who have already been doing it since 2 years+ ago?

 

I understand the current argument of

• It doesn't take that many washes

But that really doesn't change the fact that HP washing is not intuitive and creates a barrier of entry for newer players even more so for those who are not knowledgeable about it.

Currently all I see is the established and already washed players seeking to defend their hard work.

We'll see how that changes if we ever get any content that hits harder than HT.

 

If we ever tho, there would have to be compensation as old players that are high level cannot wash harder anymore and also planned their characters around HT dmg not harder hitting bosses. In fact this will happen since the staff have confirmed that neo tokyo is being worked and they confirmed that you would require a min of 8.5k clean hp with hb to surive. It is a different situation however since when the server was first released it was advertised as v62 nostalgic server with HT as endgame boss and no chance of that changing thus a lot of people created their characters with that in mind. The toad boss in ninja castle is a boss that hits 14k+ and this problem was brought up along with the issue of it not being an instanced boss, this is why it has been disabled.

 

the boss was design to be a warrior boss that other classes shouldnt be able to do. (well maybe bucc as well)
just like the boss in showa with his high acc checks.

i know its frustrating that something new got added,that only warriors are meant to enjoy but thats maple for you.

im not quite sure why they decided to make boss hit that hard that only a few warriors and mages are able to get past it.
maybe they were planning to reduce the damage later after some more changes and made it high as a roadblocks.
(since its not really possible for warriors to solo run through pb)

about hp washing it is always optional. it only makes you life a bit easier and grant you access to a few bosses earlier.
also it makes it possible for other player to sell htpendant since more people are able to survive.

 

Bosses aren't supposed to be easy. They are supposed to be challenging and meant to be challenged with a strong squad with various skills to complement other squad members. The higher level you get, the easier it becomes and you can get away with smaller more efficient squads. They aren't meant to be attempted at lower levels with the expectation that it will be just as doable/as difficult for a squad of 140's than a squad of 180's.

Picked a class which naturally doesn't have as much HP? Better hope you have a reliable HB in your party. HB dies during the run and you don't have a bishop to res them back? GG try again next time.

HP washing is a tactic, it's not mandatory to challenge and take down horntail. A particular tactic that is painful to get through because it includes a whole other part of the game with int equips, struggling to level because you use all your AP in HP, but you do it for the long con.

We shouldn't reduce how much damage bosses do to non hp washed players just because it's more difficult for them to challenge the boss.

It's not an exploit and nobody is "restricted" access to the boss. The only requirement to challenge HT is a level requirement. Beyond that, it's what you do with your character that will determine your success.

 

1. Not true, I only washed 10-20 times for the heck of it because my job doesn't need to wash. I'm not even a vet, only joined this year.

2. The same people always come out because guess what, they are the ones who care most about where the server goes. They have also been here long enough to know what's what.

3. Why must the server "grow and change" in the direction YOU want instead of staying how it was like for everyone else? Why not find a server that doesn't require washing to begin with? Is that the "vets" being selfish or you?

HP washing is not forced.

Your opinion. NLs, BMs and Corsairs are the most damaging attackers in the server. Why is it a problem to give them some barrier to entry if they want to go boss at similar levels as warriors?

 

actully its true all threads about hp problems

ap reset prices, frog and this hp washing optional
i see the same people respond about not changing anything, give compensation or nerf his exp/increase respawn time....

 

MapleLegends Islanders need Drew
Islanding has nothing to do with hp washing and all other shit.

Nah, not forcing you to cum back, but whenever you decide to cum back, Tsuki's discord chat is always open for you.
All the best in whatever you are doing honey

 

I suppose one advantage is that your character thats being washed will have some decent gears by the time it's ready. Unless you're just twiddling your thumbs and doing nothing instead of making/improving gear.

I think it was mentioned already, but seriously... the time required to get washed for the min hp req for HT isn't as exaggerated as most people think.

If somebody can't wait a little bit, or even start working on a bishop(yes boring and repetitive but its efficent), I have no idea what they're doing here playing this grindfest that requires patience for alot of things.