Leech Mechanic Discussion

While it would be a lot more difficult - I would not say it is impossible. If you were to setup multiple computers and controllers it could be done. Besides anyone can make a mage and leech themselves if they wanted to and get 6+ chars to 15x in about 3-4 months.

 

Do you really believe this is a viable alternative for anyone that wants to make meaningful progress?

If players feel like they cannot make meaningful progress they can easily be put off from the game.

This is totally beside the point of game balance. I'm not sure why you would even mention this.

 

Anyone can make meaningful progress on one character without leech. No one is being forced to make multiple mules/characters.

 

That depends on who you ask. I've seen several dedicated late/endgame players that don't multimage struggle with the increasingly competitive market.

 

Bruh did you even see who made the post...

 

The market/multimaging is a separate issue. If we're talking about strictly the leveling aspect people should not have any problems making progress on their character.

 

When you can directly sell exp for mesos it is not a seperate issue at all...

 

No one is forcing you to buy it and from my understanding most multimages focus on farming mesos/items not selling leech.

 

The "no one is forcing you" argument is so absurdly dismissive of a huge part of what has been stated: the fact that the insane prevelance kills the game feel.

Does that not matter whatsoever? Or will we (and I mean everyone) continue to ignore this fact entirely through another 10 pages?

Being entirely dismissive of the fun factor of a GAME because "well I don't mind it" is willful ignorance at best and actively harmful towards the long term health of the game at worst.

On the matter of just raw XP gains it's very rare for an average newer players' grinding to compare to leech rates when they can't even 5 shot grind areas, not to mention pot costs for a lot of them. Trying to get anyone to level with is near impossible at this stage, as well.

 

I agree with your point, and also after akash spoke in several chars
I stopped to think that this might be a bit op, but if there are people who buy, and people who sell...

 

WackyWarlock is my first character and I was able to achieve a leveling rate comparable to that of leech without any funding.

 

I'm sure, but while you did others not only clearly have not but have shown the numbers they can't and haven't been able to; but methods have gotten more refined since then as well.

Once again however the main point for me every post has been to highlight the multiple times people have posted pointing out the game feel from the leech meta being horrendous.

 

Using your own experience as a means to justify your opinions is fine as long as it doesn't attempt to speak for the norm. Leeching in the vacuum of a single player's perspective might be fine, but that's not what people are talking about here.

 

This not a single player's perspective. There are others that feel the same - from the poll it is split evenly 50/50 meaning not everyone agrees one way or the other. The point I'm trying to make is everyone should have the option to play the game the way that they want and although one path is slightly easier it is not as broken as people are suggesting.

 

It's not all about the numbers and rates. Quite a few of the people who have shown dislike of it feel s lack of freedom due to the way it has completely killed the MMO aspect of the game for them.

The split in itself is more indicative of an issue than a non issue.

This is an example of such.

 

So you're going to force people to play the game your way? That doesn't seem like freedom to me...

 

Again you dismiss what is said; you refuse to have discussion and go to an extreme.

I don't want to force anyone to play any way but to say there's no issue when there clearly is one and that the other side of the community should be ignored and THEIR issues don't matter and we shouldn't find a middle ground is laughably self centered.

 

Here's an analogy - there's a scenic hike that takes about 30 hours of hard work or a tram ride that takes about 3 hours. The final destination is the same, but the difference is that the tram ride requires a fee and isn't as satisfying because it strips away the fundamental experience of a scenic hike. Some people here are advocating for the city to create a more efficient path that allows people to take a scenic hike for 3 hours instead of normalizing the tram ride.

In this case, you're using your own anecdotal experience (I've hiked the 30 hour path, give me a gold star) and made-up scenarios (multi-char grinding) in order to dismiss the idea that things could be made better.

 

But the thing is - both paths can take relatively the same amount of time (for one character). It is not as drastic as you make it seem. Your experience and satisfaction is from how you decide to play/what you like. Leeching can be a satisfying experience too.